Unknown Speaker 00:11 So can I kind of bracket back and hope that you will bear with us our discussion at least on that. Unknown Speaker 00:20 me tell you a little bit about what I'm doing and what part of what I was doing that day. Unknown Speaker 00:30 Theoretically, I will be interested in Unknown Speaker 00:35 my studies, Unknown Speaker 00:38 adolescent, heterosexual, 60s and 90s. With a Unknown Speaker 00:45 I have a sample of voodoo girls, from middle class white population more lower to working with white, Unknown Speaker 00:54 black population, what Unknown Speaker 00:59 I have been interested in is very importantly, the fact that Unknown Speaker 01:06 most psychology research and social collaborations never look at issues of class or ethnicity, and talking about sex, and what they talk about morality is usually sexual sexual activity, and try and fit How can contextualize sexual activity. So it makes more sense as somebody lessons. Unknown Speaker 01:34 I've tried to say Unknown Speaker 01:36 something considered a bad kind of lesson, and we have another riff. And then from that supposed to happen during that moment, crime, which helps us understand sex in relation to that. Unknown Speaker 01:50 One of the influencing go back to Unknown Speaker 01:54 my methodology. And what I found is that recently, the research is adolescence, is making some similar comments to some feminine, Unknown Speaker 02:06 feminine, concerns critical, a psychoanalytic model that talks about the fact that Unknown Speaker 02:13 we have omitted the meaning direct meaning that most of your relationships and issue of continuity over time that aversion, Unknown Speaker 02:24 psychoanalytic models as somehow deficient. Unknown Speaker 02:29 One is finding this emphasis on continuity also, on the left, Unknown Speaker 02:36 and this is what I mean, Unknown Speaker 02:38 going back to feminist literature, also, Unknown Speaker 02:42 they can then detail that relationship in the meeting. Unknown Speaker 02:48 And suggest that Unknown Speaker 02:51 maturity and autonomy people, Patrick, so make sure that what you're finding out, it doesn't raise your voice, I'm sorry, what you find in the adolescent literature is not studied, we used to have a rebellion of conflict amongst parents. But in fact studies that looked at the ways in which parents and children embrace parents embrace, children's Grace threatens values, children desire to be loved to the parents over time, that that that is not seen as in conflict with being independent, so that the Ericksonian construct of identity equals separation from family are now being questioned. And I see that very much synched with Unknown Speaker 03:40 some of the questions and Unknown Speaker 03:45 one of the questions I tried to ask myself and looking at data today is what are the ways in which girls make sense of evaluate and modify family relationships and having the perspective to that Unknown Speaker 04:02 effect what happened? Unknown Speaker 04:05 And what I've tried to play with I take your family very important unit, which understand sexuality. Unknown Speaker 04:13 That it will say what goes on during certainly trying to understand some of those relationships. Unknown Speaker 04:24 I've been trying to say, what does that mean when she says, Now, let me tell you that exactly what telephone search. Unknown Speaker 04:34 I have. Unknown Speaker 04:36 Like search consists of group interviews and Unknown Speaker 04:39 what I basically do in each sample of eight girls, I asked Unknown Speaker 04:46 when session Unknown Speaker 04:50 to reach right now. Five questions they ask the same sex friend that wants to know what they love and turn away Unknown Speaker 05:00 have Unknown Speaker 05:01 given them Unknown Speaker 05:04 letting them provide the agenda, even though Unknown Speaker 05:07 getting the questionnaire back. Unknown Speaker 05:09 They then write down their questions. And we go around the room and talk about those questions with gender. Unknown Speaker 05:20 At the second movie, Unknown Speaker 05:22 what I tried to do is look at origin critical skills. One of the things that is often said in psychology literature is that most of our studies on weapons were from adults and adults. Don't copy me that that period in their development, so I've been trying to get them Unknown Speaker 05:44 to like, take examples of the day, in fact, given me unwittingly, would show our, for example, I had girls in the middle class population, talk about how a split in their parents marriage was followed by their becoming very involved in intimate relationships with Unknown Speaker 06:04 a young man, one girl saying, it was like a replacement. One girl saying, I became very dependent upon but that was because of what was happening in my life, my parents separate. So let's see that bathroom. Give me these examples of your own discussion of your own life. And you think of any events for people who are trying to get them to talk in that way, about the past. Unknown Speaker 06:32 Now, Unknown Speaker 06:35 I also have some individuals. But I'm only going to focus on today as some of the group interviews among middle class white and working class. But one Unknown Speaker 06:48 thing I have to clarify clearly, Unknown Speaker 06:51 very quickly, Unknown Speaker 06:53 what Unknown Speaker 06:57 I think that Unknown Speaker 06:59 plants need to talk about household structure. Unknown Speaker 07:03 I don't think it's possible Unknown Speaker 07:06 to do it any other way. Unknown Speaker 07:11 psychodynamic relations. Unknown Speaker 07:17 Clearly, also, when I Unknown Speaker 07:21 look at the data, not Unknown Speaker 07:25 very important, really. Unknown Speaker 07:29 Traditionally, whether the father or mother and expand that Unknown Speaker 07:36 family have very much structure, Unknown Speaker 07:40 we have to keep in mind changes in what that means a family back. So that actually might Unknown Speaker 07:48 be the center of the United States households were employed by 5 million households rather than two more children. By 1980, that dropped 11%. And by 1985, they're dropped to 7%. So similarly, we talk about family, we also have to talk about Unknown Speaker 08:06 how to structure now disruption, anything that causes change in that family, so we know what is important. Unknown Speaker 08:18 Now, let me say a little bit about the girls from breast milk. Unknown Speaker 08:26 They Unknown Speaker 08:29 were awesome. Unknown Speaker 08:31 Three, four, and five of them were coming. Unknown Speaker 08:37 None of them are particularly religious, Although, technically George, one Protestant, Catholic, and one more filiation. Unknown Speaker 08:47 Their fathers Unknown Speaker 08:54 to Lloyd's, Virginia. Unknown Speaker 08:57 fundraiser, dependability, women's positions, very impressive. And positive Unknown Speaker 09:05 association, recognitions and prizes. The actual designer research and recycling company, clothing designer, President Unknown Speaker 09:14 first search company on a cooking school in Connecticut. And the reason Unknown Speaker 09:22 I think, what I'd like to say one of these is Unknown Speaker 09:27 that Unknown Speaker 09:30 there have been some changes with the research shows that we've had high Unknown Speaker 09:36 stability with Unknown Speaker 09:39 I'm sorry, we impressively low marriage disruptions in higher income. But we know that's not true. Unknown Speaker 09:48 And I don't think Unknown Speaker 09:52 my white working class or middle lower middle class Unknown Speaker 09:57 families, now listen to what they're Unknown Speaker 10:00 are Unknown Speaker 10:02 professionals for Unknown Speaker 10:17 motorman chefs Unknown Speaker 10:20 worked with a small in a mail sorting company where distribute postal supervisor, Supervisor of trade and watching among the women are secretaries in the office. And Unknown Speaker 10:32 I think that what we're seeing what Unknown Speaker 10:36 are the effects of independent women? are in your own Unknown Speaker 10:43 healing? Okay, actually divorce and I think that accounts is the differences Unknown Speaker 10:51 in these two groups. Unknown Speaker 10:54 Now, let me move on to what are the some of the issues? I think Unknown Speaker 11:00 what I've done in track somewhere from the important issues from 108 to one, sorry, one Unknown Speaker 11:11 is that I'm a middle class girls. Five of them are non virgins, for the aversion to five or nine versions for Unknown Speaker 11:24 up to eight, Unknown Speaker 11:25 sorry, not one of the one Unknown Speaker 11:30 of the five who are not very important. Are some Unknown Speaker 11:36 of the middle working class lower middle class group. Two of them are not very consistent. Unknown Speaker 11:51 The Ages are six Yeah. Unknown Speaker 11:57 Well, basically designed to teach high school, if you're going to Unknown Speaker 12:04 if you're going to Unknown Speaker 12:07 do talk to Unknown Speaker 12:10 the rank is higher than the 19 year olds in Unknown Speaker 12:15 order to account for the large numbers Unknown Speaker 12:19 for Unknown Speaker 12:21 Hispanic or black, young Unknown Speaker 12:26 take time out from school for other reasons. And you finish late. Do you have to Unknown Speaker 12:32 heighten the age at that end of these here? Unknown Speaker 12:42 Are the important issues that I've identified with the middle class white girls? Unknown Speaker 12:50 And what I mean by important issues are what are the questions they raised? Unknown Speaker 12:56 In that I can tease out of their discussion, which I think are important in terms of for informing me or us that has to theorize and think about the family if we're going to understand that Unknown Speaker 13:12 okay. So, the issues are How comfortable are girls talking parents to mother and father, about people genuinely particular Unknown Speaker 13:22 and lifers who have come to a parent's home to their daughters. Unknown Speaker 13:26 Second, one set of parents marital status, and the third row perception of the mothers and relationships with fathers and or stepfather Unknown Speaker 13:36 for family values and how they can outwardly have sex month Unknown Speaker 13:43 one tends to become less important. Unknown Speaker 13:47 It tends to be anywhere nearly as important issues that were mentioned first. Unknown Speaker 13:56 Now, basically, Unknown Speaker 13:59 we Unknown Speaker 14:01 are very comfortable with parents generally. Unknown Speaker 14:07 That the clearly they don't show Unknown Speaker 14:12 resentment or difficult for the talking about their fathers. They just show a lot of they're not interested. They're much more interested Unknown Speaker 14:21 in Unknown Speaker 14:26 one girl's comments about and they also want to tell their mothers that Unknown Speaker 14:34 they want some kind of upset about what happened to them. I mean, they would like to pull but if they can't get approval, their acceptance would at least be okay. Unknown Speaker 14:48 And this is very different from what seemed to be what hers was very different from Unknown Speaker 14:55 the idea that many of us have grown up with which is that not Unknown Speaker 15:00 acceptable way of doing, it's almost like that there's something wrong about either kids doing this or parents accepting, allowing, and I'm not sure that that to Unknown Speaker 15:13 me says I'm following her in any way. And I will try to tell her when I told her she was walking out. She said, I will not accept this, but I will not condone it. And I find some because I my mom was not to cry. I knew she wasn't going to say, oh, underneath that. Right. So Patty's told me, we'll get to your diaphragm. I knew she wasn't going to do that. But I hope. Unknown Speaker 15:35 And in most cases, the thing that eventually mothers still do harsh help they're prepared to be protected, and do take interest in contraception. And I think, based upon the positive years ago, I think some of that may have been a phase that's already going on five years. Unknown Speaker 16:01 Another girl books that Unknown Speaker 16:05 she's talking about, Jimmy, this seems to be some notion of, why don't you have it. And when she says Unknown Speaker 16:12 she says that she wants to have before she goes to college, because she wants to be with somebody that cares about her and very for the kids in college is going to be some casualties to get hurt. But then she goes on to talk about right after that. The fact that you have some other some other ones No. Unknown Speaker 16:33 Well, I don't really want to know about it. Unless Unless, of course, you feel that it's it's such a bad experience to have to tell me. And what I take from that is, once again, they really want them to say it's okay, as long as you're having difficulty doing that fight, but certainly they do have a lot more than right. Unknown Speaker 16:56 Now, Unknown Speaker 16:58 there seems to be differences to among the grocery boys Unknown Speaker 17:02 age, Unknown Speaker 17:05 and interested in one of the girls from an intact family. Unknown Speaker 17:10 And she always thought it'd be more difficult to Mother kind of parents get divorced, I think Unknown Speaker 17:17 is that those girls from divorced families do have an easier Unknown Speaker 17:25 time. And they also couldn't be conceptually more accurate. And I'm certainly not by any means trying to provide a small sample. I think this is the case, I'm just trying to think about Unknown Speaker 17:37 the meaning of perhaps, for this moment, but I certainly have a strong feeling that Unknown Speaker 17:48 oh, wait. And let me also because of one of the things that the girls raised, very interesting Unknown Speaker 17:54 that they can talk to me Unknown Speaker 17:58 about sex and also Unknown Speaker 18:01 impact is because the mothers don't feel that comfortable, not only talking about their sexuality, that that it may not talk to that girl, and then they'd be disloyal to the Father. This whole issue of disloyalty men out when we're talking about a divorce or reconstituted family Unknown Speaker 18:20 seems to be the case also. Unknown Speaker 18:27 Another way in which girls learning that open, Unknown Speaker 18:32 comfortable open Unknown Speaker 18:35 a therapy. Unknown Speaker 18:39 Some of this may be Unknown Speaker 18:41 ideal or not, I'm not quite sure what to make of it. But anyway, Unknown Speaker 18:46 when we talk with my mom and dad, if I remember when he used to, like touch your breasts knew that, you know that slide or something? Well, I was really little. They're very open, everyone's open. Like that. And I guess that's probably the forges on how you can be open to this person. Unknown Speaker 19:01 And tell me how to learn about what's happening today. So one of the categories in the new category, there's a section to the parents relationships. Unknown Speaker 19:15 Then is often the issue of family values, because the third Unknown Speaker 19:21 one, some of the girls talk about the extent to which Unknown Speaker 19:26 they have their Unknown Speaker 19:29 boyfriends or significant others have the same kind of family values they have in their own family. It's actually easier. I'm not sure it's always but Unknown Speaker 19:40 that makes intimacy and closeness more possible. Unknown Speaker 19:46 And as I said before, I think the issue of women during Unknown Speaker 19:49 the Unknown Speaker 19:51 is not very important, like every Unknown Speaker 19:54 way Unknown Speaker 19:56 some parents Unknown Speaker 19:59 say Unknown Speaker 20:00 Because Unknown Speaker 20:03 one thing that builds it is Unknown Speaker 20:06 rising so quickly is that Unknown Speaker 20:11 as part of this whole issue of Unknown Speaker 20:14 flows, we can do some continuity in other cultures, the parents congenital, Unknown Speaker 20:22 generally, and how that sexuality particularly, Unknown Speaker 20:27 one thing is very Unknown Speaker 20:30 insensitive to their own parents. Unknown Speaker 20:35 Particularly about one girl talks about the fact that, well, I was very disappointed that I learned about sex. Unknown Speaker 20:43 And then she goes on to say that I think my mother was really trying to protect me, because she was afraid that she would say, in one way. Unknown Speaker 20:53 And I thought I just said a Unknown Speaker 20:57 relationship Unknown Speaker 20:58 between what constitutes Unknown Speaker 21:03 how they helped me. Unknown Speaker 21:08 Let me move on to the length after the girl, they are from the political climate passport in Brooklyn. Unknown Speaker 21:17 The issues they raised Unknown Speaker 21:21 this, Unknown Speaker 21:22 and this is Unknown Speaker 21:26 what I kept open way of doing, I don't quite have a way of saving jobs people one was laying, it doesn't mean that others might not also have some feelings about. Unknown Speaker 21:39 Or let's say that about Unknown Speaker 21:43 niceness about the mother. But I would bet 100,000 If you sat with that girl for 100 hours or 50 hours, instead of two hours, we'll begin to tell you about the hostility towards your mother. I'm not saying there were no by any. And I hope that in some of the individual engineers, that I can uncover some of those issues that we get because of the loop situation, because of Unknown Speaker 22:07 all the left countries, other reasons will be napping. Why do you have to find that information that may unravel? Unknown Speaker 22:19 The issue, Unknown Speaker 22:20 the adequate bar, once again, how comfortable are Unknown Speaker 22:25 you? Secondly, your moral standing whether or not you feel your parents to trust Unknown Speaker 22:33 and then have a double standard within the home? Unknown Speaker 22:37 And once again, we're going to learn that sex but again, I don't think that that's that important. Unknown Speaker 22:45 happened was that in the questions that the girls raise? Unknown Speaker 22:50 Questions about premarital sex, the standpoint of Shut up? There's a lot of questions about what was appropriate behavior. Unknown Speaker 22:59 And I tried to Unknown Speaker 23:01 think so sense that Unknown Speaker 23:05 the question posed by one woman, can you go by your Unknown Speaker 23:09 passion? I think this sense I have Unknown Speaker 23:12 trusted judgment. And I think they trusted it less from what I can see in this problem. Unknown Speaker 23:19 Particularly zactly. watch that first. Unknown Speaker 23:28 The other thing is interesting, okay. Unknown Speaker 23:32 You were saying that competence, other than that Unknown Speaker 23:37 other Unknown Speaker 23:40 day, a lot of resentment and hostility expressed not to fly the interests of hostility. And sometimes I felt within describing that, oh, really loving. Unknown Speaker 23:55 That, that image that we've had Unknown Speaker 24:02 for the comfortable, Unknown Speaker 24:05 which Unknown Speaker 24:06 is one that Unknown Speaker 24:11 is that many ways. They will do a very perception about the models, understanding that Unknown Speaker 24:20 seems more to gravity, relationships. My mother knew he was my best friend. Unknown Speaker 24:27 Now because she had a lot of time to feel but nobody really cares. Well, a friend of left her her mother, and her didn't get along and I'm pretty sure the rejections My wife has said, which I realized now, she didn't want leaving. Unknown Speaker 24:41 But everything else is over. I found some of these things metal. Unknown Speaker 24:47 Right. Unknown Speaker 24:49 Now that was part of the whole issue of trust. Unknown Speaker 24:54 Many of the girls felt that Unknown Speaker 24:58 parents do trust Unknown Speaker 25:00 In which they evidenced by having Unknown Speaker 25:05 curfew, being allowed to go to the boyfriend's house Wednesday morning, this was not how Unknown Speaker 25:13 in terms of, and they raised this trust, Unknown Speaker 25:17 to an extension of the relationship that they've always had. Unknown Speaker 25:23 So that Unknown Speaker 25:25 if there was a situation in which, if there was a family relationship in which people will open it that Unknown Speaker 25:32 will be discussed. Unknown Speaker 25:36 They feel as if Unknown Speaker 25:39 that created a sense of trust and openness in the family much more something big coming out of Unknown Speaker 25:46 the ground, they felt that their parents didn't trust them all the time, on top of that very authoritarian household, in which there's a lot of which is a lot of unexplained rules. And a lot of discipline, this seems to make sense. And those same girls talk about a very sharp fall. So I think that to give you Unknown Speaker 26:12 an example, thank you to school issues. Unknown Speaker 26:16 Rainwater if someone tells you something. Unknown Speaker 26:20 Because they infect people, there's illegal, but they threw things out, which they have sent to them. And that certainly with the breakdown of trust. Unknown Speaker 26:34 I guess I could come up to this point, we're running out of time. So I feel that the girls have started life as to some areas that I think might be pursued, and try and understand Unknown Speaker 26:48 the interface between issues of families love Unknown Speaker 26:52 relationship, cancellation, Father, daughter relationship, parents, marital status, family values, morality, and family interaction systems. And then Unknown Speaker 27:06 to go on to this theoretically, Unknown Speaker 27:10 very useful starting point for looking at section one. But of course, I think that it's interesting Unknown Speaker 27:18 structure and gender. Unknown Speaker 27:40 I'll keep this very short, my data less digested than the other inspection for today. And also, we want to look at video just to give you an image of what's happening. Now, Unknown Speaker 27:53 in the media, I'm, I'm, I teach journalism to university, North Carolina, and I started out a number of years ago trying to figure out how adolescents learn about gender roles, we call them sexuals. back then. Unknown Speaker 28:07 And then Unknown Speaker 28:09 we started then, I started to look at music videos, because they are one form of media that has been aimed directly at adolescents has been developed for adolescents. And I somewhat naively thought that perhaps with a new genre, we would have new roles for women. Unknown Speaker 28:29 And so I began, I started as a content analysis as well, to look at how men and women were presented in the video. And I found that to be my concern that in fact, there's probably more sex typing more stereotyping more. And women were subjugated to a greater extent than any other form of mass media we have today. 80% of the performers on music videos are white men, and women are rarely seen, actually on music videos. And when they are, they're almost always in the background. And they are there as sexual objects and, and they are to as far as the object of desire for us and then in the videos. And then I found too, that there were some very clear kinds of old, very old kind of conditions of still, if the women ever did have any interaction with the lead males in the videos. They were, they were usually the women was was trying to get the attention of the male and the male was always sort of looking out for the distance. Unknown Speaker 29:33 tugging at him trying to pay attention. He never paid attention. The other main activity that people engaged in, in music videos, they're just sort of is a date a lot of it is walking around and but with men, you you get some sense of why they're going where they're going or what they're doing. There is some sort of purpose to they're walking around with women when they're walking around, aimless purpose purposeless those wandering Unknown Speaker 30:00 Around. Unknown Speaker 30:04 However, those that was I did this in the early days of music videos and and Kaplan has come out with a new book recently which she's documented these kinds of these kinds of ideological streams and music videos pretty right up to the current time. And she's found that there have been trends and that there are some, there are some more, Unknown Speaker 30:27 there are some stronger women images more recently, the Tina Turner, and some other women are Cindy locker, who was one of the women was here, buy this magazine a couple of years back. And so there have been some alternative images of women, and one woman who has been abused, this way who embodies Unknown Speaker 30:49 some new, or some would say a new image of women is Madonna. And I am Unknown Speaker 30:57 Catholic butcher, a postmodern feminist. And, and she's Unknown Speaker 31:04 not and I've talked with him capital, as if I'm not bashing in capital, what I wanted to say that the number of academics or scholars in the media right now who were saying that, who are really fixated on the data, I'm really interested in the data. And I have to actually, I think she's a really interesting symbol of the 80s. And she's been used in a number of different ways. But Anne Kaplan, at any rate, says that she is she is the postmodern feminist, and she talks about her as embody both vulnerability and sexual independence, and has this at the same time and is basically acting out this kind of these kinds of contradictions we have right now in our in our culture. And I think it really speaks to continue fighting in the trenches in these different ideas of, of womanhood and of love and sex. Unknown Speaker 31:59 So I began to look more closely at a couple of Madonna videos. And actually, what I did was go to the data I have right now I really undigested but I want to show them to you and see if you can help me figure out what's going on here. Unknown Speaker 32:16 And part of this kind of a trend in media studies, right now literary criticism that's now being applied to popular media, such as music videos, is the idea whether whether we need to stick to the text, or whether we should be going to the reader or any of the audience and asking, what did the audience see in the text. Unknown Speaker 32:37 And what I and I actually came to this, because from trying to do content analysis to music videos, which I found very, very difficult, because there is so much symbolism in music videos. And it also is a is a very ambiguous text, a very open text, if you will, in that. And I think that's on purpose. That's because it is a repetition medium. And so these kids play four hours a day, they basically have hundreds of about 110 videos in rotation at any one time. So they're basically going over and over and over again, to sit in front of the video to sit in front of the TV and watch the same videos over and over again. And so I think they need to be very ambiguous text so that kids can continue to be interested in them and continue to try to make meaning with them. So I went to kids and tried to try to find out how do they make meaning of these videos and particularly Madonna as this, you know, do they really see her as opposed to feminists? Do they do they get this sort of feeling of independence and so on from her? Well, let me show you a video you see if you think she's posted them and and this is a particularly interesting one because he was criticized by New York planters and in fact for condoning Unknown Speaker 33:59 use as Unknown Speaker 34:01 you can see what it's about maybe you've probably seen it at least heard the words that this is pretty fuzzy here but you'll get the idea. I think you could turn off the lights for the hurt okay. Unknown Speaker 34:55 You Unknown Speaker 34:58 been in the home Unknown Speaker 35:00 All Unknown Speaker 35:07 right Unknown Speaker 35:25 You Unknown Speaker 36:06 right Unknown Speaker 36:31 ba ba Unknown Speaker 37:19 we Unknown Speaker 37:25 saw Unknown Speaker 37:43 Good? Unknown Speaker 39:37 Okay what do you think the video is Unknown Speaker 39:42 a very idealized view Unknown Speaker 39:53 to use as a support for teenage pregnancy a good way of keeping Unknown Speaker 39:59 your dad interested Unknown Speaker 40:00 At the end of each year, a lot of research is going to attack. And it probably is Devil's excuses as to why the government had such relationship with It knows, it means I'm going to keep my baby love with a man. When she was, I mean, I can tell you that has over the utilisation, and that phrase that we're the ones that are to shame, women for the Unknown Speaker 40:25 father could be saying, I'm going to keep my babies, it could be his birth death. But he has to have a baby. Unknown Speaker 40:35 And there's some other Unknown Speaker 40:37 ones, what's been this about? Unknown Speaker 40:41 What Unknown Speaker 40:42 do you mean? Unknown Speaker 40:52 I actually think that this particular song is different than the second presentation, she's added herself to this, which is that she's an aggressively sexual woman unapologetically. Unknown Speaker 41:05 I mean, you can fall with the way that she dresses are the kind of sexuality that you project. But still, there isn't an ontology independent, sort of non Unknown Speaker 41:17 non Unknown Speaker 41:19 male. I mean, I guess the Carl is whether from sexualities male to find or not. But Unknown Speaker 41:26 anyway, she is sexual without, Unknown Speaker 41:31 without apologizing for which I would say in the late 80s is sort of counter to the, to the mainstream culture, which is, again, the same way that women especially girls, which is usually costume shouldn't be sick. And I think that's in this video, too. And the whole dance sequence, which then actually was done just before opening your heart, where she does even more of that kind of dance, in fact, in a peep show. Unknown Speaker 42:01 The kids see that too, that the kids say that she doesn't look pregnant. And in fact, and to get to what you were saying about these themes. The kids see all four themes do they do they ask? And usually they have a dominant theme, they will they interpret it one way, one out of those four ways we get and what we've seen all four interpretations. Unknown Speaker 42:24 I think she's very complex. And I would hesitate to make a simplistic analysis of her appeal. But one of the things is that she saw the video from Material Girl, what it is, is replay of Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, essentially. So and that's Madonna's whole thing has been a big Cakewalk on Marilyn Monroe, in fact, but it's kind of an aggressive Marilyn Monroe. And what does that say right there to me, because to me, a lot of what comes through with her is no matter how aggressive she is, sexually, the whole point is always to get male approval. And there's a whole defense in Unknown Speaker 43:01 jail justification of an authoritarian social structure where women must seek approval from men who are the authority and she doesn't no more aggressive way, but she never really transcends that. And she, I've never seen Madonna in any way be any kind of a threat to male authority. Unknown Speaker 43:20 Whereas Cindy locked or I find much more. I was afterwards great when Miss gave her that award. Because if you see some of her videos, she's much more. It just always felt much more like this was an independent, she's talking about real independent, yeah, and, and a whole different and she appeals to women. She really and very consciously, in fact, appeals to women, and talks about independence from a different level than Madonna. It's weird, because Madonna is like, she's doing independence, but she's still appealing to men. The longer videos she does, it's a it's a dichotomy. In every video, there's a dichotomy between the good mode and the bad when to every video, she goes back and forth. The other thing that we see with this with the Monroe thing is that that was one persona that was one stage and Madonna's evolution, she also takes puts on personas and takes off persona, but she's never really strayed from that, in terms of the whole point is to get men to approve of her. It's very male identified, and even in this video, where she walks away from her girlfriends, that her girlfriends are boring her not to do it, he walks away. And the dilemma becomes with him to them back to him. Yeah. I mean, Unknown Speaker 44:33 you said you started to say something about Planned Parenthood. And it seems to me if the only issue is, how is my father going to relate to this, whether I'm gonna have a baby or not, that seemed to be the issue. The issue was in her life and with the word preach, you had some idea that it was just going to be sort of a moralistic thing that you shouldn't have had sex that really has nothing to do with the reality of whether or not now that you are pregnant. What are you going to do about that? Well, to me, it is Unknown Speaker 45:00 Totally anti choice kind of Unknown Speaker 45:02 message. Yeah, some kids do see it as though she's going back to the idea that that, in fact, she is assertive because she tells her father not to preach. And she goes to her father and says, I've made my decision, I'm going to keep my baby. And now I'd like your love. Anyway, despite your Unknown Speaker 45:25 interest. Unknown Speaker 45:27 I haven't been, I have some data from these, like these kids say, and they say all of these things. So it's, to me with it suggests that my point was that there is a multiplicity of meaning in in these videos, and that kids are seeing different things in resilience. And so that when we critique them, from our point of view, from our particular point of view, or a grandparent point of view, or whatever, that's not the only way to be interpreted. Unknown Speaker 45:58 And I think we should still critique Unknown Speaker 46:04 places where this supposedly self assertion comes from a need to any kidsave back or really wanted to go to college or get a job or something. She wouldn't want to prepare for me. Well, that's interesting, because what we asked them to project into the future of what happens to Madonna and the kid decided on that. And, and there's a here's a big theme that she Unknown Speaker 46:40 did it today? And is it relatively the perfect day? Unknown Speaker 46:45 I don't get a clear sense of that. They certainly know what he's talking about her as Madonna. But they seem to put that aside, and they really kind of look at this as as America looks like narrative. Yeah, that's semi autobiographical. Unknown Speaker 47:01 design itself having a murder. Unknown Speaker 47:04 Plot, and a lot of them no doubt. Unknown Speaker 47:08 We seem to have just 20 minutes left. So shall we mean by all means? Let's go on talking about this. But Shall we all come back up here and open the discussion if you'd like to? Unknown Speaker 47:32 Finally, Unknown Speaker 47:34 I just thought we could pick one and if you'd like. Unknown Speaker 47:38 So Unknown Speaker 47:42 I don't think you've tried implies that you want to comment on the lack of congruence between the three things that you have on your chart, particularly this not too much issues and a tragedy, although I think it's fascinating variable. Unknown Speaker 47:59 But I wouldn't, I guess, Unknown Speaker 48:01 relationship between self expression as well. Unknown Speaker 48:07 I agree that that's one of the one of the surprising findings. And the way I explain that or plausible explanation is the growing importance of therapy in the 40s and 50s. So that when you read these articles, you often will get a couple they're in trouble, they go to a male therapist, the male therapist tells them you should express you both should express anger more, but he also tells he also at the same time, he enforces a kind of domestic image for women. Just kind of a contradictory Unknown Speaker 48:40 mixture of psychoanalytic theories on that, you know, Ben Farley started about your feelings and very traditional gender roles. Unknown Speaker 48:50 Ventilate, but continue to subtract. Yeah, yes, it's very Yes. That's exactly the way they that's, that's what they look like. Unknown Speaker 49:00 Jay, you commented about the relationship between mother and daughter when the divorce takes place, and the daughter and mother can talk together. Unknown Speaker 49:10 I think there's also something I wonder if we got into the mother's relationship with your daughter there also in terms of this divorce and the separation breakup of the family, in terms of the mother finding a way to rebound with the daughter, because the whole question of having Unknown Speaker 49:29 divorce is really an issue for many women and how they will have them in their lives Unknown Speaker 49:35 with that issue, not at all. Unknown Speaker 49:39 I don't know. Unknown Speaker 49:44 And the loss Unknown Speaker 49:48 of establishing Unknown Speaker 49:51 what may happen, I have not read Unknown Speaker 49:55 something that makes Unknown Speaker 49:57 a lot of Unknown Speaker 49:59 sense. Unknown Speaker 50:02 I'm really raising the issue of whether the mothers reach out as woman to woman more at that point for their own selfish reasons, as well as be helpful to their female children. Unknown Speaker 50:15 It's a way of presenting themselves as ongoing human beings another way. Unknown Speaker 50:22 Another way in which they that the rebounding is taking place, and that's why that makes sense to me. Unknown Speaker 50:29 It's actually a lot of status about what how adolescent girls, new men, Unknown Speaker 50:37 how they received the use of men from their mothers, and even reviews of their fathers who impact families. And there's a lot of stuff that shows that girls absorb a lot of attitudes that their mothers have about men. So for instance, circumstances of a divorce or father's get, for instance, there's a big difference between girls whose fathers diagnosis fathers, and actually, because divorce that a lot of derogatory and angry feelings toward men come from mothers and Unknown Speaker 51:11 I probably have gotten Unknown Speaker 51:14 so that a lot of girls, and this is like, I think looking at women who are older than your sample, women who don't have relationships, saying College, their mothers had difficult divorces, versus if they had to see men, and they're much more cynical, and negative way. Unknown Speaker 51:33 So that on one hand, there may be this bond for like a sort of sister. Unknown Speaker 51:39 But at the same time, there's often an opposition password. I when I first looked at this is that I'm surprised that there wasn't Unknown Speaker 51:49 threat. So I'm mostly looking to see how I've made rapid so what I haven't looked at yet well, question your sample is so I don't think so colored by any like Karen Hopkins, stuff clients, this romantic notion of love that 16 year old girls cabbages changed radically by the time you're 21. I mean, Unknown Speaker 52:12 what a boy is what love is, first relationships with fifth or sixth relationships are very, Unknown Speaker 52:19 I'd like to comment about what you said, because I think there's something very important for women in this. And that is that many women in talking to their children after divorce may also be Unknown Speaker 52:32 maintaining their position as persons in their children's lives, because not knowing what the husband is telling the children about what has gone on less than relationship of a female child to her father, a lot of Oedipal stuff not work that that can be working against the mother, the whole question of female mothers losing their daughters, or their sons, because of a lot of unknown things going on. And many women have not wanted to tell their children anything about their position, and have found that the husbands have told their story very clearly in an prejudiced fashion. And then the women have lost their children to decided the mother was wrong and broke up the family and caused all the problems. And that's probably going to therapy after divorce and not use their children is, you know, no, but these are important variations and how what may be going on, that women should be aware of. Unknown Speaker 53:36 I just won the race issue that was a phrase someone made set earlier that really struck me and that was someone was talking about real independence, I forget who it was, as opposed to, I guess, pseudo independence. And it strikes me one of the issues of the whole conference is we're comparing, you know, sisterhood being individual rights versus motherhood being collected rights? Had, is there a way to be independent, still be Unknown Speaker 54:03 connected to other people? Anyway, back to Season One themes running through all these talks? I mean, is there are women, Unknown Speaker 54:12 following men and having more adultery? Is that something good? Or is that some kind of fake? And that breaks relationship? The whole issue of what is what does independence mean? And what should it mean? What would we like? Independence for women to me, as soon as feminists are pushing? I want you to just add to that, because I totally agree with Francesca, the issue that came up over and over again, particularly from the women in my sample Exactly. There is a real double life, autonomy and control on the one hand, and about the desire for a dominant strong and good one, the MIT vulnerability and surrender on the other, and how women can actually achieve this by the magic this is where you learn to be a legend comes back in in modern times, Unknown Speaker 55:00 And because the hero is such a conquering, attractive, creative, wonderful person, how can women whose unconscious is constructed within the social times through which they live and are living? Imagine how relationships with men would be any different from one that has this dominant strong male, to whom they can surrender. And then the conflict with the new liberation theology and practical reality for sharing and living and learning and pregnant, the rest of it is autonomy and control. So Unknown Speaker 55:40 you're at your reaction to the video, which is to study magazine. Unknown Speaker 55:47 Tell us, what do you got scared about censorship with videos? Unknown Speaker 55:56 I had just they didn't bother me at all. I mean, but I don't have a clear position on censorship when it gets to discussing violent pornography. I started from I don't have anything why I mentioned at the time. Unknown Speaker 56:15 Well, it's a major debate between feminists of different Unknown Speaker 56:21 camps. And the rich came out of the camps on the opposite from Catherine Unknown Speaker 56:29 McKenna, and Unknown Speaker 56:33 admin walking. And I really think there's a positive to you. And I personally feel like better for them than it's not that there's not the pornography, it doesn't matter. I think it matters a lot. But I do think that it can be incredibly divisive amongst feminists, and that is mistaken, a way to focus and hone in on that, as if that was the most important issue for us, but definitely a major impact on society. Unknown Speaker 57:03 So concerned about let's face it, Jay. Well, I guess my point is that I think adolescents are are interested in in a number of different ways. And so again, Unknown Speaker 57:17 I'm not real clear about this yet I'm ideological position about some of these types of data. But it suggests to me that is Dr. Harmon censoring that, that there are a lot of different ways of interpreting this content. And then some of my other research that I'm doing is to try to see how you teach, how can we teach kids to be more critical users of the Unknown Speaker 57:41 beginning to find some stuff that, again, if the kids come from families, where they're encouraged to form their own ideas, expressing an opinion and so on, they will do the same with the media, they'll bring the same kind of critical approach Unknown Speaker 57:56 to be unhygenic smarter. Unknown Speaker 58:00 And some other thing is I'm here to talk to the old feminists who, who do a very beautiful, feminist critique of this movie. Unknown Speaker 58:12 Yeah, I'd like you to comment more on the 80s. Because if especially in your two presentations, it was mainly the 70s in between, up to the 70s, what had gone on, you know, in the 50s, and before that, the 40s and in the 70s, and I see that the ad being the 80s, being sharp change went on, I don't have it all figured out between the 70s and the 80s. And, um, you know, whereas you had major changes taking place in people's consciousness in society, and particularly among a certain generation of women. And then you come into the 80s. And this is sharp political reaction. And in terms of the generation that came after us, I'm, I'm happened to be in graduate school, and I happen to take a couple of undergraduate courses, and it really kind of blows me away in terms of where these people are the most mild feminist comment is, like, you know, a shocker to a lot of these kids. So I mean, I like you to comment more in the 80s because I see a sharp like shift happened. And I don't know exactly what it's led to, but and even in terms of the Madonna not so much the Madonna video but it's not like the 50s because the 50s was the 50s Okay, then the 60s and 70s happened and then the 80s was like reaction against it. So this is certain viciousness to it as terms of what's going on. And I you know, we'd like you to discuss that. Do you want to comment on that or this Yes. Okay, so I just think that I completely agree with that. I think we should update it but I could also be with you will be with you ACE has threatened to Unknown Speaker 59:53 completely revolutionize I mean, well, we don't know that we know. Unknown Speaker 59:58 What is it doing anyway. Unknown Speaker 1:00:00 It Unknown Speaker 1:00:01 is a piece of work of what you have been sending the past three years. How do you see the eggs? And the new kind of going back to domesticity? So we do a lot about how that it will affect the decades and into the 90s how you project just with his maybe sandwich with the with Unknown Speaker 1:00:21 the big 80s is very different thinking suddenly much more Unknown Speaker 1:00:25 domesticated? And how can you see that? What do we want to come up with? Unknown Speaker 1:00:30 Yes, first of all, there is not returned to domesticity at all Unknown Speaker 1:00:36 their women work at almost every single woman work. So Unknown Speaker 1:00:40 shouldn't you know, women with children under three years old, more than 50% of working so. Unknown Speaker 1:00:47 But what I think that there's a sort of there's, we have not completely I've been looking at magazines for ages, actually, someone who's Unknown Speaker 1:00:57 just done an entire flip flop back to you know, lie down and surrender. Unknown Speaker 1:01:03 That the ideology of me of personal satisfaction is still I think very strong in the women's magazine ideology, right for women's magazines, Hudson Street struggle about, you know, injecting easy feminism into. Unknown Speaker 1:01:20 So now and that I think persists. And but I think the ideology is that you will find happiness in fidelity, number one that's very strong, that you're Unknown Speaker 1:01:34 working things out with your boyfriend. Whereas in the 70s, there was a sense that your boyfriend or your husband may really be the wrong person for you. And maybe the best thing to do would be to get out of this relationship. And the solution was always find another better relationship, but that you might make changes. Now the sense is that fidelity long term commitment is more satisfying marriage, you know that there continues to be an ideology that sex no matter how many years you've been with, somebody can continue to be exciting, contrary to all wheel data. Unknown Speaker 1:02:11 Or a lot. I mean, there's Unknown Speaker 1:02:14 that there is definitely there, there are cons, the conflict between the long long term commitment and sexual excitement has completely disappeared from women's magazine, same thing. But so that there is on one hand, the sense that you yourself as an individual are important, you're important in getting satisfaction from or getting satisfaction from the relationship and from your children. But doing that individually, and somehow, you know, there was I think of an ideology in the 70s that one way to do that would be to sort of get rid of men in their lives, you know, to sort of get divorced, get out, start their own business, start a women's business. Unknown Speaker 1:02:57 So there's a true trying to match modality with. So satisfaction. And Unknown Speaker 1:03:06 I think we just clarify my Unknown Speaker 1:03:09 interest. I just in terms of clarifying. And I think that an aspect of what you're saying is an aspect of what's going on. But it doesn't speak to a tremendous tension that I feel the social fabric of our society that didn't exist in the 70s that exists in the 80s. And the sharpest example of that would be fatal attraction, which was an enormously popular film. It Unknown Speaker 1:03:29 still is. Yeah. That to me, is what I was talking about more in terms of the reaction. And what does that mean in terms of love and adolescents and images and that sort of thing? Because there's a viciousness to it. This portrayal of the independent career woman as this psychotic, violent monster, as opposed to the good mother wife. And I don't think that's just that's just the cinema. I think that has a lot to do with consciousness and society. And that's what I wanted to know. Well, when I'm okay, that's that's the conflict. And I think women's reactions to that film is far more variance than men's. Many women were raised. Okay. Unknown Speaker 1:04:09 Well, just briefly, I think we all agree that their culture has many various threads. So when we see contradictory threads, like you see all this anger to single women in that movie, and you see something else that could both be true, so that I think we all probably agree with that. Unknown Speaker 1:04:26 And I'm very interesting what you say about the 80s and trying to put together self and commitment, because that's what I argue in my book, and that's the people I talked to said, I think in this case, women's magazines are reflected at least what educated white women are saying they're trying to do is put them together. So Unknown Speaker 1:04:47 I'm in my data when so maybe true. So from my own material, I can't comment on what actually has happened in the ages. But I really don't agree that there's been an enormous flip flops either Unknown Speaker 1:05:00 I mean, I think there are continuing trends, and my Francesca, many different threads running along simultaneously, which I personally think is optimistic and good for us. I think the diversity of images from which people can pull, including, for example, lesbian images with the possibility of having different kinds of personal structures, different kinds of family form of not requiring every class or ethnic group to be formed around middle class or whatever, cannot be good. But I also think that that kind of diversity leads to conflict, it means that there are very few general truths if you like, although there is a lot of consensus, there is very broad consensus, for instance, about the need to be in love to love in order to make a long term commitment automatic. I, everyone thinks that from wherever I do not think it's the possession of any one class or anyone genuinely. However, what actually happens, as we know, is a gap between, you know, there may be a gap between belief and actual practice, I still think that it has conflict inherent in it, because people are having more and more to turn to either other structures around them, or to their own selves for moral values and guidelines. And that's extremely difficult. Suppose the AIDS crisis goes, I mean, I think it's one of the things that is really outrageous, that I get shocked and passionate about, because I think it is a huge new form of sexual control, that if you actually look at the data, there are 50,000 cases in the world 50,000 cases, and what's the world population, Unknown Speaker 1:06:52 it's actually a minute phenomenon. It may indeed, and has killed, valuable people, especially valuable young men that we can't afford to lose. But why come up with an effective way of stopping polar populations, having fun having sex, doing their own thing, and it doesn't mean to say that I don't think people should be careful. Unknown Speaker 1:07:16 Or that it isn't a good idea to have condoms, but I really think it needs an analysis from that kind of, you Unknown Speaker 1:07:23 know, sort of so called control issue. And I suspect, and as we've seen with some of the data that Dan presented that day, just as adolescents can take from a from an apparently, possibly harm. All right, can parents with health records, video, many different ideas, I think also, all of us are much more capable of critically assessing material when we're given it, whether it's the AIDS because of something else, which might have come past most of the studies, except amongst highly threatened groups, like me, challenging to articulate, organized gay community, say of San Francisco, have actually surprised we can see change their behavior, very little. Most of the studies are not showing massive behavior change except where they know they really are threatened. Now, that isn't true of drug users. And that's another. Unknown Speaker 1:08:20 I would like to answer your question a little bit, if I can. And that is that I think that there is no real freedom without economic freedom. And I think women have gotten to recognize this, whether they've gone back to children to school to get jobs and train themselves to earn some decent money. But I think they want to either be made in the relationships in the marriages, or have the freedom to leave if they have to. But I think what's happened, I think, to a lot of young people is that they have realized that without childcare, with having to teach husbands how to share work at home ranch, and the difficulties of really working and raising a family at the same time, that they've been overwhelmed by the actual job plus the extra job of educating and changing the family structure at the same time. And depending on what's going on, not knowing whether they want to stay in this whether this is a plus or a minus in their life. And I think that's that's where they need our support, recognizing that this is how change takes place. And this is the women who have done this in the past have done this. And I've left the marriages or made it worked. What impression I got from what I've seen is that, yes, the fantasy Unknown Speaker 1:09:37 tendency desires for commitment to love that remain with them. I don't see their fantasy is tied to sex the way it was before. But a lot of these people almost actually have implemented yes, that becomes a given. And there's no other thing they still want. So they're not tied to that essentially before 45 years ago. Unknown Speaker 1:09:59 Does that mean that Unknown Speaker 1:10:00 You could find commitment with some one decide the male lover. I mean, if they really weren't tied together then why not with a woman? Why not with your Unknown Speaker 1:10:10 parent but Unknown Speaker 1:10:16 still a partner I think most people still do when they think I don't want to be lonely. They think it's got to be someone of the opposite sex that they that they also have sexual relations with that Unknown Speaker 1:10:26 relationship. But I don't think I don't find as much romance in that fantasy about that commitment in terms of weight some some companies would have romance or sexualities tied together as it was before Sharon finds absolutely out as she says girls have sex for love. I had I was finding that five years ago is currently the girls I haven't found a new saying that they may be following more of a male model than have more female models. 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