Unknown Speaker 00:00 I used to, to derive the employment and unemployment statistics that are released every month telling you who's unemployed, how many whatnot. There are extensions of the survey or expansive survey, which were conducted about four times a year, but we'd have been cut back severely. During this administration, where additional questions were asked of employees, I'm not going to give a lot of information from those expanded surveys, I basically looked at employment. And there are data on detailed occupations, I spent a lot of time to print detailed occupations related to women, there was a list, there's a list of about 420, detailed occupations that the Bureau of Labor Statistics uses to monitor the employment by in detail, I think it's not detail. It's never going to be detailed. The the 1980 census has a list of about 575 or so they will never be published in great detail except it without any statistics attached, because the sales will be too small. Even the Current Population Survey, the things that I'll show you with a lot of inadequate data. And it's only done annually. Now get into minority women, the data off for all minority women, for the Bureau of Labor Statistics, that includes blacks, Asian Americans, American Indians, people like it does not include Hispanics, except the 3% of souls that are considered black. I do have some one tabulation I think I pulled together on from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission data there Hispanic, people are considered one of the minority groups. The Bureau of Labor Statistics has been publishing more data separately for blacks, and for Hispanic people. I did not use them because I wanted to detail occupations. So for the most part, I didn't, I don't have any separate data, I do have, I think one or two tables that way, what I would like you to do, I enjoyed the session this morning, it gave me many ideas, basically, about the lack of knowledge in the in the federal system. And about what what I see as some gaps that need to be filled in knowledge. And I would like to hear from you, I think what they gave us as a charge basically, was to come up with some strategies. And I didn't come to any conclusions, I'm just gonna report to you. You didn't come to conclusions. And you come up with strategies. And after I go through these tables, and I'll just point things out to you. I think that we'll take a look. After I point them out to you, then you can come up with a strategy. I thought we would start with the with the general situation of minorities and would like for us. I don't want to spend a lot of time on that. Because I think you basically know you have a lot of handouts. But these transparencies, yes. I'll tell you about them as we go along. Unknown Speaker 03:31 When I'm asking you. Have you also made the transparency up as handouts or if you're interested in something I've been experiencing? Should we be taking notes on it? Unknown Speaker 03:38 If you have a question, I have some cards here. I have about three copies of this presentation. But if you need more, you might then just get in touch with me. And we can get that I've what I tried to do was bring you what is officially published and not my things. Unknown Speaker 03:56 Okay, what is your address if some of us have to leave early? Unknown Speaker 03:59 Okay, I'm at the Women's view. My name is Harriet Harper. The Women's Bureau US Department of Labor. Room S as in Sam 3305 200 Constitution Avenue Northwest. And the zip code is Washington DC 20210221. Unknown Speaker 04:25 And the room was 3305. Yes, Unknown Speaker 04:27 that gets to me directly. If there's anything that in general you want I have here, by the way, a brief description of the women's Bureau what it does that sort of thing. What its mission is and also this the publications I brought only a few because they're awfully heavy and I brought me my own luggage telling you read too much. Yeah. Everything is just exactly Unknown Speaker 05:00 I'm going to take you to part two lodges, maybe this table. Unknown Speaker 05:07 Okay, this is general labor force down, and then we monitor everyone in handy on women in the lakes. And I want to this is 98 to a clap. So I'm going to be looking at here's what status quo is of women, and minorities. And I just want you to get some broad ideas, because you really know it, you get it every month, Janet Norwood gives Alberta warm statistics, basically, she tells everyone, but if you're looking at here, the total civilian population now the unemployment statistics, by the way, include the military. But this is 1982. And they started that in January 1983. I don't want to get that complication. But this is the 1982 and 1981. statistics on women in the labor force, some general statistics, and minority women are in this women of minority races. Okay. Okay. It's not focused on can you pick everybody? I'm fine. Okay. I wasn't like that. But anyway, if you want to be back there, that's all right. So basically, we're talking about 14% of all women work. That's basically what we're talking about today. Okay. Black women are 80%. minority women, they the majority, they move the whole show. Was they still a minority? And we tend to forget that a lot of people tend to forget. But that is so Unknown Speaker 06:45 these statistics are based on, for example, there's no way to give an estimate of say undocumented women, Unknown Speaker 06:55 undocumented workers. No, the official statistics don't, because that would do that. The first thing about it, you're not going to get it. This is based on voluntary information that that the federal government gets now when an official of federal government comes to your door and says, Will you give me some information on your economic status? People on are suspicious enough? And then to ask them now, are you legally in country? That's not what happened. I was very interested to hear Maria Kelly talk about the 500 some families that she had that survey, I know, the women's Bureau tried to fund a study on undocumented workers by working through a Hispanic professor. And it wasn't successful. She wasn't going to officially by the way, therefore, she had no sanctions against him, she was to find anything anyway. And they are concerned about what they'll be turned in, or whether you know, their, their you know, their car will be blown. And so we're not going to get we can make estimates based on her stuck as to how many they are, but nobody even knows how many they are. And Asian women, women from Afghanistan, I saw a whole TV show Sunday or 60 minutes. There are a number of Afghanistan, people here who may be undocumented. There may be many, many people undocumented right now. I as I see it, if they come and they are lucky enough to get a job. They may, you know, I mean, this is not a lot of you've read about it, with 1111, half million people unemployed. You know, who knows? Now, when we get into minority women, I looked at minority women a lot of ways just to see what was happening to minority women in the labor force. But anyway, I want you to look at the second page, because I don't think that we need to discuss so much the various differences. That minority women position is very reflective of all we have is to be the negatives are overemphasized. For the most part, that is the position. And I was really torn, really torn about whether we should even have a discussion about Menara separately from all in the discussion on technology. And I'm truly not sure yet. But I'll get right one of these. This is the second part of table one which shows you the distribution in the major occupational groups, for minority women and for all minority women are not as heavily into clerical work of jobs as our Oh, mainly because they weren't they haven't always had the opportunity to be there. And so they're just beginning to pick it up. And I'll show you another table. That didn't mean just to show you some trends. retention period just changes. minority women workers are in services. Okay. 24% not quite percentage. Oh, I mean, oh, boy, the greater the percentage. Has that limit declined any sincera? In services? Yes, no, not for minority women and men for all women. However, there's some very significant changes within that group, which I will show you. You can see right here, the private household workers, for minority women. And all women is still in this table for one year change has declined marginally. And I will show you that has declined sharply over a 10 year period for minority women, some small amount for all women. But what is that, and I'm going to let you come to some conclusions about what I see in some of the statistics. And we didn't talk about and I wish anybody could chime in. Because nobody knows that. Service workers are those generally household service workers and what they call other services. Other service workers include being provide health services, gaming services, Unknown Speaker 11:08 business services, Myriad's Unknown Speaker 11:13 but household work was, is a guard, particularly from an IRA, particularly for black women, especially mold. And what's happening? I think the dynamics in that service categories is very interesting. And if we keep this in mind, we're talking about as relates to technology. Okay. So let me see if there's anything else I want to tell you about appear. I don't think I don't think that you need that we talked about and I had an introduction, just pointed out some differences, like the fact that minority women, even 10, even when they're unemployed, tend to want to have full time employment, even more than all women, all women work at at the rate of about 70%. Full time in terms of part time, and this is an increase of part time. The fact matter is minority women have a greater need probably for full time work, not that they don't have other needs that they would like to address. But because their earnings are lower, even than all women, on average, then they have a greater need to put in more time, seek to get that living wage. And we will see that minority women continue to have a little disparity there as far as part time employment, full time employment, I don't think so unless the technology and I don't really know an awful lot about technology. But unless the technology leads to a lot of part time employment. That may be something that comes out of this, but I don't know. I don't know how the penalty the minority women will favor. As for the participation rate of minority women, as an all women, basically minority women have maintained a slight lead the percentage of women in any age group, or all willy nilly 1616 year old, who were in deliverables, but the growth of the participation rate over the last decade has basically been amongst white. Because minorities already have very high. Unknown Speaker 13:33 But there's still room for growth. And it has been growing but not that we see. Now, let's see here. I'll show you this one, although I think that is stuff don't don't. Unknown Speaker 13:49 Okay, I'm trying all kinds of ways don't have the thing. We should have little shelf. I put that. If I put it over here, maybe I can get it right first time. This just shows the the unemployment rates by age. Again, minority women's unemployment rates. Okay, and every age level except 65. Well, even better. It's just Hi. And I don't think we need to dwell upon that because it's just showing that they went if there's an impact, they could share greater in the negatives, Unknown Speaker 14:23 is it? Is it likely that if you had black only it would be even higher? I guess, Unknown Speaker 14:28 in some age groups in particular, in some way the teenagers is just Yeah, I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. And I would think that that's something you would want to address in here. Okay, I don't want to take too much time because I have 70 that these little things scattered about you. So I want to get to all of them. Now here we come to Unknown Speaker 14:59 this Is the industrial distribution of all women and minorities. And this is where you can see some differences in where they are employed. The first column here is total employment. So it'll give you some idea of relative importance of employment as a whole. All women 60% I mean, it's just this is marginal anyway, mining for women, okay. But it is what can I say a non traditional area, women are being encouraged in the Appalachian regions and some of the reasons were this mining to get into it, they can earn three to four times per hour what they can earn being a waitress was what else the other option they have, especially if they have no education. You can see that minority women, here this is interesting in manufacturing, minority women 3.3%, of durables, men manufacturing, of the women, their non dual came out into manufacturing in a great, great amount. But then when we see what happens to those that are there, and what proportion that is of total minority women, it makes a difference. It makes a difference. Okay, wherever they are, wherever they are, wherever they are, the greatest body of women is not even shown on here is inservices. minority. It's not even shown on the stage. Except private household, except private household. Okay. So what would be 100%? Well there's an awful lot of women, this is this is a breakdown by Labor Statistics didn't even have pride household minute. They have an overwhelming majority, though. And when you look at a table that Bureau of Labor Statistics had, and you look at women scattered over the spectrum of industries, and you'll find is big thinking of private household services, where minority women are the dominant, that's the only place the only place and it's never school. Unknown Speaker 17:36 Because the occupations of all employed women and minority women, and this is the one I'm going to show you just to show you some trends here, and the growth, as you can see, the declining areas for all workers, all women, and for minority women are in private household. And in farm work, which is marginal and United States now, anyway, talked this morning about the agribusiness causing a lot of problems. But the only declining areas as far as women in household work, where black women are dominantly employed, and farming. Were in particular, the farm laborers coming out, because after all the mechanization and MPC technology is causing the farm laborers to come up first. Interestingly, we've noticed some increase in farm marriages. And that's because the widowhood of widowhood of women have wives of farmers, farm owners, and most of them are white. And everything else there is some growth, some substantial growth in percentages and in numbers, and we can say overall some progress in the usual sense of the word. Okay, now, it's interesting. There's one little area up here, operative except transport, which I think we'll have to come back to, again, were all women. And that means basically white women, the dominant group, pulling out is a declining area that's manufacturing and for minority women, quite a growth in a declining area. And I think that we've come back to that and when it related to technology, because in pulling this together, you know, this kind of education for me at the same time, but I see that as an area where we may look upon this as progress among minorities, particularly black if you're getting a steady job with the hybrid paving services. You're not a maid, you're now going into factory and you're working in assembly. And this was traditionally regarded as progress in existence. But I question a lot of definitions now. Put it here. Okay, now this is occupational distribution as of 1982, with a little bit more detail than what we had before showing minority women and all women. Unknown Speaker 20:25 Basically, Unknown Speaker 20:28 they're both the same. There are some areas where you could say we push a little bit more here. And you know, but I mean, I don't see that there's a great problem, but then you look at that opportunities, except transport. Operators except transport factory workers on production line. assembly workers, you heard that word this morning. Okay, that's basically, we're still heavily into service worker jobs. Okay. We seem to be heavily as a Service Worker job. But now when the sudden recall, you go back here, what kind of Unknown Speaker 21:16 I mean, you mean manufacturing as opposed to service other Unknown Speaker 21:21 than other service workers jobs would be other than household work, other than being a maid or cleaner or something like that? It would be nurse aide and be food service outside of home, a lot of McDonald's fast food, fast food workers, cleaners, janitors, sextons, that sort of thing. Then there are those people who went with called Business Services. Okay, so help businesses do their things better? Computer we've not been paid services yet to be services, things like that. Not the mechanics services. Okay. What about if they own their own services? Service? Well, that would be under that would be if they were classified as a worker, in most cases, those would be put into the management if they are own own own firms. That would be considered managers, owners, manager owners. Yeah. So that would be where they would be classified. If you own your own firm. I think that when we looked at the the change over time on minority women, and all women, I want to just point out, again, an area here. When we look at the the other service workers, we see that that the growth for minority women and for all women, on the other service work is about the same. But when you look at the aggregate, change, the service works for minority. Unknown Speaker 23:08 Total growth Unknown Speaker 23:11 is not very high. And I think we'll come back to that when you see, well, what is really happening within services, if services is that sector of the economy, which is growing and projected to grow fast outside my office, was located in minority women. It's a question this is a list of the 20 leading occupations of employed women. And it shows you where minority women relate to those 20 leading occupations employed women. This is where all most all women work. Half of all women work in these 20 occupations. But 60% of minority Unknown Speaker 24:02 but they are Unknown Speaker 24:05 but there are some differences. Here's where you find the minority 89.3% of all women who work as private household work that's where they live they don't dominate anything. Unknown Speaker 24:28 Okay. They don't dominate anything else. Unknown Speaker 24:33 Then another place that you'll find a lot of them is down here at the bottom this year cleanups Unknown Speaker 24:43 building interior plates, so other services that they do Unknown Speaker 24:47 so if you don't push a broom into somebody's house, office building, Unknown Speaker 24:52 okay. Okay, Unknown Speaker 24:57 if this isn't it, this seems incredible. for all women, that in this in those fields, anything anytime Unknown Speaker 25:05 that minority women is a percent of all women, no, no, just that it's all women Unknown Speaker 25:11 that the majority of women are right there. Unknown Speaker 25:14 Wow, that not the majority of women and majorities and 60 know of all women are in these 20 jobs Manoj I know Unknown Speaker 25:21 what the largest sector is that is number 18. I Unknown Speaker 25:33 will say that there are 1,010,000 Women in private household work of that two point of women are that 89% of that million are minority women. But they represent almost a fifth of all minority women, one in every five minority women are just a little bit less than 16. So what we're trying, I'm trying to do I was trying to do is really look at where are they? How are they within themselves and how they relate to other women? How do they relate to other women? So this is where we are. I think it's interesting. And looking at the distribution of minority women. And all women as type it's true is that about twice the percentage of minority women are types. I guess I'm looking at the right line. Yeah, no, I'm looking. I'm looking at nursing aides, orderlies and attendants. When I'm talking about number number nine nursing aides, orderlies and attendants were minority women 5.5% of all minority women, nursing aides, orderlies and attendants, whereas 2.3% of all nursing aides orderlies and attendants sewers in stitches, about twice the proportion of minority women are sewers constituents. That's again most of the time on the assembly line. That's where he was saying she was telling herself sewing cuffs or something. And again, slightly less than twice the proportion of minority women are assemblers Unknown Speaker 27:39 but that's just print now, Unknown Speaker 27:49 assembler systems and by reading correctly No no 90 here Unknown Speaker 27:59 some loops is number 50. minority women representing almost 20% of all women working is assemblers. Unknown Speaker 28:15 Nothing is interesting this is a growth industry growth application for women is bank tellers and minority women well they got some cash they have some catching up to do and some other places. If they want to bookkeeping, secretarial work they want to be top of them it's like during Unknown Speaker 28:40 retail sales you're given Unknown Speaker 28:49 waiters Wait. My goodness, look at some other things. See what else is going on. Unknown Speaker 29:02 Now I want you to show you on faces here on the side. That's the 20 leading up to taking the ball and Unknown Speaker 29:18 this is the 20 leading occupations that are on this slide. This is the one where Menards is different from home. Unknown Speaker 29:31 Okay, it's different from all Unknown Speaker 29:35 six all difficult. All minority women are in these 20 occupations. somewhat difficult. Number four is maid service side hustle even though it's been declined continues and almost half the people going out when it's still not full labor is number one pushing for home, cleaning up something. Nursing aides, orderlies and attendants. Unknown Speaker 30:09 I mean this. This is, and this is after, Chris. Unknown Speaker 30:16 This is what 1980 Unknown Speaker 30:17 This is 1982 neural blade statistics. Unknown Speaker 30:22 Administrators or anything, Unknown Speaker 30:23 not the leading up to leading become aware the majority of women are the majority of a minority. And when you look at the the high level jobs, which we'll get to, to some extent, there's so few, I couldn't even do some things, because the numbers were shaking. This is where people are. Thank you. This is where they are. Six out of every 10 minority women service workers Unknown Speaker 30:56 sacrifices by both Unknown Speaker 31:00 Barbara manicures, I guess dressers, you have such things Unknown Speaker 31:07 cleanings that come? Unknown Speaker 31:13 I mean, what the reality of talking about minority women technology was shocking. It was shocking. Because I have to deal with aggregate information. Okay. I don't deal with cases. When on a federal level, you can't when you go talk to Congress, they don't want it. They wonder about the majority of people wait on the people, what are they earning is to impact on policy, you can't talk cases. So we have to deal with the facts. Unknown Speaker 31:45 But this also has the you know what, okay. Unknown Speaker 31:49 We can aggregate all the occupations that have some sort of relation with another Unknown Speaker 31:54 Oh, yeah, well, we'll get to that. I got 70 tables. So I am still trying to get the technology but then I had to deal with reality. Unknown Speaker 32:03 Yeah, because this is definitely going to impact in terms of who is going to be controlling and managing information systems that are obviously going to be developed. When I Unknown Speaker 32:13 heard the discussion this morning. I want to change what I'm just telling you one of the women who was organized acid, I really, I really was so torn after hearing the discussion as to whether I should keep going with what I had planned, or whether I should revise hastily when I plan or. And finally, after going all the Round Robin was born and sitting there, you know, everybody else was eating chicken. I'm thinking what should I do? And I decided I'm just going right on through with it and let you all come to some conclusions. And tell me what we should be doing next. Unknown Speaker 32:59 I mean, I have lots of other statistics in here. I did some estimate hair. On the earnings. Maybe I'll read that statement to you. I did I had to do some kind of analysis. I pulled this together and follow through and tried to find something to talk about. But I basically want you to find to find some things to find a position to find some strategy. Okay for for academicians for policymakers. For the women themselves, it seems to me, it's time. Is everybody finished with this one? Unknown Speaker 33:36 One comment. Unknown Speaker 33:37 I'm looking at all the pitifully small. You're talking about sales 5%. The highest category is only 5%. of total minority women. Unknown Speaker 33:46 Is that right? Yes, minority women, right? Yeah, right here. This is just minority. Unknown Speaker 33:51 But apparently, they're out of the 5 million workers Unknown Speaker 33:58 are all scattered in the Andes. But this is Unknown Speaker 34:04 a picture of powerlessness. They're all stuck in like their mosaic on the bottom. Unknown Speaker 34:09 Nobody wants to do this. So you know, this moment, just wait till you see some hope. They're there. Unknown Speaker 34:19 They could maybe organize and say, let's all cleaning service workers unite. But they're also Unknown Speaker 34:27 near me at all more than 50%. Now, they The Division is 58% Unknown Speaker 34:32 in all these funny occupations, which will realize the range of opportunity out here. Yeah, job opportunities. And all Unknown Speaker 34:49 that is there a range of Unknown Speaker 34:52 questions that you have why? What who? How I'm with the government icon as a financial aid counselor. And I find that the major population of the college is minority women. But they come into my school and the bulk of them leave, to go to trade school to learn how to be beauticians where they will come into accounting, and they can't. They can't Unknown Speaker 35:30 fire theory skills we have Unknown Speaker 35:34 practically, I'm not quite sure. We have to get in every year. We Unknown Speaker 35:42 like. So we have every year 4000, we have, right now a population of 11 Unknown Speaker 35:51 students, but as the 3% of attrition of the minority students, very high, isn't it? Unknown Speaker 35:59 30. But you have to ask if the system work for the minority, or if it is the minority, you are not we are in the minority. Unknown Speaker 36:13 You, Titian, what we see. And what the statistics are demonstrating is that the impact can't start to cause them Unknown Speaker 36:23 to begin Unknown Speaker 36:25 dealing with looking at math or science or rodents, but women and minority males in Connecticut, and we're going through the high schools to see where they are in taking four years of math as opposed to just the requirements. When you go into the urban areas that I got from Irving and Kevin was on the date and most kids are so far behind in math and science. They're they're trying to stay locked up to eighth grade levels. This isn't high school math, or reading. Unknown Speaker 36:59 This is this 12th grade attending. Unknown Speaker 37:02 So how can they go to school and take accounting? Unknown Speaker 37:05 Thank you read your comprehensive, let alone anything Unknown Speaker 37:09 I've ever seen. Unknown Speaker 37:17 It's almost delivered the education Unknown Speaker 37:21 lesson to key people. Unknown Speaker 37:24 There's a lot I think in sometimes it really is teachers attitudes and expectations of minorities and women in general, is a major factor. And the fact that not only the teachers are not inputting data skills, and teaching math and science, and notes, they know that, at least, especially in Connecticut, because we've been in this whole technological revolution, that these kids really need these skills in order to move on, they really need to master math and science. It's not happening at this point. And they say they're looking at teacher attitudes and thinking about changing Unknown Speaker 38:04 at this point, but I see that they also should look about changing, because a lot of things that you teach even if you never apply, Unknown Speaker 38:14 because if they allow they require two years of math, that is a remedial algebra, remedial math, she'll have first year and then general math the second year, you haven't even begun to tell what she'll need to go on into higher education. I dealt with a girl who wanted to get into business school in Boston, and she couldn't because she didn't have enough math background in order to compete and ever needed. And Unknown Speaker 38:41 I think that is the pupil teacher with the demand on the job. Unknown Speaker 38:48 And it has to begin way, way way back in the gray. Early. Unknown Speaker 38:54 Luckily, what has happened exactly. Will you go back and look at me starting in 30 minutes because kids especially waiting. And teachers aren't equipped starting in third grade to teach math and Unknown Speaker 39:09 look at the statistics and the poor preparation of the people who teach math and science. We've been reading about that a lot. Unknown Speaker 39:16 Here only 3000 people out of another nation when we did math, Unknown Speaker 39:21 and most of them are picked up by the way by Providence you pay Unknown Speaker 39:25 me 50,000 A year you have to support a family whether you're male or female and you can get into industry and make 25 My sister in law took me inside them they were she was just lucky to her parents going back to 23 years old makes $25,000 hurts my heart because someone told her what she really needed to know she was able to deal with math and get a grasp on not having bad anxiety. I know no one no one ever really deals with it. No one when I was in school, and I learned how to do a probably different way from the teacher himself. That was you know, I walked out of his class and you If and when I was in high school, so it's really this kind of things you have to deal with in an urban setting is twice, then it's twice, Unknown Speaker 40:06 because of the urban setting, what you have to do is try and get your child into a quote, gifted and talented school that is, quote, gifted a town school, there's really no gifted and talented school. What it is, is old fashioned education, teachers really having high expectations and really planning and producing but support and the majority of children that are in these schools are, quote, minority children. And when my daughter got into high school, I went around looking at the school and I said, Look, this is what I used to get medicine, she will Unknown Speaker 40:37 do it. When teachers are really dedicated in wanting to teach, and they can, and they're so busy, and the children are so busy with all the stuff that's coming out them, you know, that they don't have time to get into the fights and the hassles. And it's a tragedy because it's couched under gifted and talented. I mean, you know, and I think that it's the majority of problems in the urban areas, because teachers have low expectations, unless they hear this is a quote, special child, the child's not special. My daughter's an average kid who works very hard. You know, Unknown Speaker 41:09 she works very well, I think that this is most of the kids when we come to strategy, what are the strategies, and who are those who are strategizing. And who takes initiative, I want to just say that I did look at some educational expenses, you could go in many directions. And I got some statistics from the National Center for Education Statistics. And I pulled this table out because it was good. It's called selected application with two inches of high school seniors, the most recent data is 1980. I don't know when you've seen it. But it looks at the mathematics courses completed by high school seniors. But of course they took by the percentage of Boys Girls by race. And of course, wisdom haven't taken very much in the way of mathematics as a quick we know that. And then minorities are not doing much better. The interesting thing is the Asian and Pacific Islanders map they 88% of Asian Pacific Islanders have taken a course one and algebra 76% took algebra to 870 9% took a course in geometry, and 50% of them took a course in trigonometry. I don't see. The American Indian 61% took the course in algebra one, most of the groups took Algebra One over 50%. But when you get to algebra two, if it weren't for the Asian Pacific Islanders and 51% it forwards all together, you wouldn't have a majority of the students and seniors haven't taken algebra two. They hadn't even learned quadratic equation. Unknown Speaker 43:01 Yet, from what I hear a lot of the school administrators by the time they've seen you the social problems and all the stuff we hear about that goes on in the school, you know, crime and the drugs and all that they want them out. So like half of them already workstand Anything to get on them out? Well, you know, they go home at 11 o'clock in the morning. No one's been attacked, but not a car. Well, Unknown Speaker 43:17 I think the jumble I think this is what we need to talk about. It's all good. How do you how do you deal with this? And it seems to me that it goes back to my sister is a counselor High School Counselor, the college bound. She went to the University of Maryland doctor, she told me yesterday, so I've lost track. I think it was the data points that she went out to University of Maryland. And they had all they meet with counselors around the area. And she said they are raising the standards for infants. And well, there not a lot of minorities out there. And but they're raising the standards. Now, University of Maryland based systems and UDC raise this standard. I mean, in my area, the schools they have the secondary schools must follow because they won't get any students in any place. I don't think that's how it works. I know that that's Unknown Speaker 44:18 a part of the production of mass ignorance. Because for instance, in New York City, what has happened recently is that they created this flunk out rule, you have to pass the fourth grade or you can't go on you have to pass the eight Grand Canyon, Unknown Speaker 44:32 but they cut back on remedial teachers. Unknown Speaker 44:34 So they are intending to drop flunk out a whole lot. Well, you want to wonder why so so by raising the standards, long term strategies and talking about long term standards it's really Unknown Speaker 44:51 challenging to do Unknown Speaker 44:54 in order to get in Unknown Speaker 44:57 and make an order. If you are with us hostname display application, but they Unknown Speaker 45:01 are not this big, secondary and changing it after a certain period. It has been tied up in all three high schools. So I'm going to teach administrators to clean it one month here when Unknown Speaker 45:19 it comes to knowing. Unknown Speaker 45:23 Like 525,000 kids Unknown Speaker 45:33 okay, this is 1981. This is 1981 data from 1982. This is Oh, yeah, this is this is hit now I have another little table here is the numbers don't really matter. It's just all though page. That's what the lowest low level, okay, everything, when I say it, the minorities have the same thing. It's all women just more of it in the same time. That's really what this I think this table is of all the leading up page from all. And the average pay for that, which basically shows that all we've been paying on low paid. And that's that was my quandary in whether to deal with minority women. Oh, we didn't have some of the same problems. Unknown Speaker 46:30 And we have some insane powers. But in the reality of this society where you have institutional racism, you do have to kick in particular? Unknown Speaker 46:40 Yeah, I'm not, I'm not denying that at all. I'm not denying that at all. Now, I just do those will start to show those occupations where there are some you can see here that there are among minority women are the leading occupations to to what I would call professional occupations, elementary school teachers, and registered nurses, Unknown Speaker 47:14 many service and privacy by the household 124. And yet do the highest number in all the other ones that every right there that the lowest one? I mean, not that it wasn't already news. Unknown Speaker 47:29 It just makes it a reality. And that's why I said, you can conclude claims and make statements as well as Unknown Speaker 47:40 we all can be a statistician, Unknown Speaker 47:41 what is he going to meet? What is it going to mean? In terms of like, there's a whole uneven growth and development between third world countries currently in developing nations technological Lee, and then if you take internalize that take to this country with just the same kind of dichotomy, Unknown Speaker 47:59 that Maria, what's the name raising? About the urban development zones? was very interesting to you. I thought that was very interesting, because we were the exploitable labor market. I mean, when they get finished going around the world, everybody's made with some way you're gonna go. Urban development zones, the new third world. I mean, you could say, you could say that I don't know that there's so but Maria thought that there must be something going on that way. People are coming from but they are not a large majority of this minority. These people been here generations. Now, they haven't been in the major metropolitan cities in the largest numbers for many generations, but they have been in the United States. Since the first man came here, explore and see what happened, what the Indians were doing. And and they come off the farm a lot since the second world war during the war industries and come into the cities. Unknown Speaker 49:14 DW they must be racist. They couldn't be make $156 a week if they were in the union. Unknown Speaker 49:19 I mean, the International Well, if you if you read the accounts of a woman named Florence rice, in the book, black woman in America, if you read her, her history in that union, you realize just how racist they really are. She had a rough way to go to get to get anywhere. Unknown Speaker 49:37 Title Seven of the Civil Rights allows a person to bring a charge of discrimination against the union. For non representation. unions can be charged along with employers for discrimination, and Terms Conditions, and pay and everything else of employment should be For now, this summer, some statues, a lot of swords and stitchers are not black. A lot of them are Hispanic women, and some Asian women. There are lots of them, but there are some black. They are certain race, which differences within occupations Unknown Speaker 50:23 that now when you bring up a charge of discrimination have to prove intent. Unknown Speaker 50:30 There, I can't, I can't speak to that in specific terms. I'm not a specialist in this area. But of course, the philosophies of the dominant for the party power, change the intent Unknown Speaker 50:48 of the experiences. Unknown Speaker 50:56 And there are differences in interpretation. I would say this, don't let that stop you. Given the time that it takes for Pacio through the system, you can have two or three precedents to worry about one. And one philosophy. Yeah, do you keep on with the, with the program at hand? I think that son we I think we tend to become influenced, sometimes in the most peculiar ways by what's going on now. 16. This one may work for you period, the country is 200 years old. You know, the time marches on, and we cannot. They can't rewrite all the laws, and they can't rewrite all the regulations. And if people, I guess, were members that they have a say, and they don't always remember that, oh, they read a headline, and the Justice Department isn't going to support this. So I guess most they should get a piece of paper up piece of brown paper bag, and write what they think and send it to who and it will make a difference. It makes a difference if people don't let this happen to them. And that's what we're talking about here. Who is being impacted? And who impacts Yeah, but Unknown Speaker 52:28 you have to go I mean, you have to make the changes, and you have to move, but you also have to accept the consequences while you're doing. Because you have you have Puerto Rican to kind of get ready to be thrown in jail, because because of the desire for independence and whatever, over there, then you had the Rosa Parks in which a lot of people were not just thrown in jail, been beaten and killed. But I mean, I don't feel that that's a reason for discouragement. I still I still Unknown Speaker 52:54 I mean, you know, we have a program you go into, but I think the Unknown Speaker 52:57 fear that a lot of people have on the sectors of what Reagan represents out is because it's not just rig. It's the sector of multinational corporations. Yeah. And their impact. And what does that mean? You're right, they cannot rewrite the law. They're trying awfully hard to rewrite everything. You Unknown Speaker 53:15 can see the industry, the impact of industry, the banking industry, for instance, has really changed some things here in the last few days. Right? I mean, if they make up their mind, and I think that what we have to say is, are we going to make up our mind? Or are we just gonna sit there and say, what happened? That we really Unknown Speaker 53:34 have to focus on right now not bring down the maker of these, what are you waiting for these jobs? Many of these women had syndrome when they were 17 years old, more than last year in high school now epidemic, their children 1112 13 years old, and babies now, to the extent that minority women do keep their mates if they have, if they want somebody to love. The problem is medical records. How do you encourage a 15 year old with a two year old to do anything that takes more concentration than it takes to deal with a two year old? I'm 30 years old, almost. I don't have a constitution yield to you all the time. And we're making these demands on young women to aspire I'm an attorney. If I had a two year old when I was 18, I would definitely not be an attorney because my mother to not have supported me and my child and put me through Unknown Speaker 54:34 limitations. Unknown Speaker 54:38 We always have babies without cameras, but this is my this is epidemic proportions. We must deal with it at a junior high school level or elementary school level in terms of the impact of what a child really means. Because otherwise you begin to do this and getting headaches and these are the only jobs we wanted to ever do that Men and not responsibility team if they have a child so that even if they are a minority, this feeling to forget about that responsibility that you had, and you go on and you'd be somebody. So we really have to say that this is not just an educational thing that would give me education. Because once we jump out of school, we can't get a baby, you can't have an education. But and there's so many attacks on on the rights for choice and for the attacks on birth control and all that. But it's a way of keeping another class of people Damn. Well, I think I understand. Unknown Speaker 55:34 It seems to be that a lot Unknown Speaker 55:35 of the jobs that these people with very little education and family responsibilities could take in the past have not even been there. That's what we're getting at. I want to show. Yeah, that's what is what happened. Yeah, because I think you're right, Matt, there are social problems. This is probably what you're seeing is the end product isn't on the line of social dysfunction that hasn't been dealt with in May. Last time, Unknown Speaker 56:18 the earnings Unknown Speaker 56:21 in the leading up involvement, and it's not much it was a little bit higher, feel more get up to the media, but basically, the same thing. Okay, I'm just going through these pretty fast. Okay, then this. Now we get to technology. Okay, this one is about monarchy, Unknown Speaker 56:45 we shouldn't even be talking about Unknown Speaker 56:48 you already know what's a such a minority of women and minority women who are in any technology related occupations, I had to go through the list and find some technology related. And you can see it's almost non existent. The last column tells you there's hardly anything there as a whole. They are 16% is to professional technical job. And when you look at the computer specialist, program, three minority engineer, I had to really strain computer system to find something to discuss. That means less than 0.05. Okay, that is not on the board. And all of these, I might say are shaking. But but the fact that I could find anything, I guess he I mean, I guess. Yeah, but when you look at the percentage of all women, you see that minority women as a percentage of all women are not bad in some field, which is not I mean when you look at that's what it says no, women are doing very well. Unknown Speaker 58:14 But it's interesting that women don't let me see minority women as percentage of all women in computer specialists. Yeah, Unknown Speaker 58:23 they're 12%. Okay, that's not bad. That's not bad. You could say that's probably statistically or they're 13. Or, you know, that's not bad, given the data, so that's not bad. I have a question. Unknown Speaker 58:40 You have total employment and percent women, okay, the women and Unknown Speaker 58:46 it says 4.0 Yeah, so So all women and minority women that is 12 12%. Okay. So it's saying that minority women are there, but no women have they have in great proportions. Great numbers. Okay. Okay. And though you might see a little bit below 13%. If you say that it's used as a standard, just things like seem equally distributed, distributed amongst other occupations, you would say that there are a few were they really lagging like, social scientists, as a group, college and university teachers we know, physics and engineering and mathematical minorities, women are underrepresented, even among women. Okay. But Unknown Speaker 59:31 it basically Unknown Speaker 59:38 the dashes really mean that there was nobody there in the data. That I couldn't find it. There are some but they're just unmatched on count Unknown Speaker 59:48 categories that are larger. Unknown Speaker 59:51 Right, so science and technology. What they do have some, they could do something they can make a change in the way You could think about I put them in there because if they know what they're aware, they can help determine people's minds around. They're the ones who's talking about what's happening. Maybe they can do something. creative solutions. I put them in there. I'm looking around to see what's well. So you see Unknown Speaker 1:00:26 the progress of all, we haven't really gone. Unknown Speaker 1:00:28 No, no, all women, minority women know. And when I hear see a group out there talking about they're against technology. I don't know what to make of that, because I don't know what it what they're trying to say to women, I should ask them Unknown Speaker 1:00:42 if they use pencil sharpener. It's a technological device. Unknown Speaker 1:00:46 Well, the statement put on their telephone answering machine. So I don't know I did use telephone they don't use. Unknown Speaker 1:01:03 Okay, this is from EEOC, this is different data than the current population. EEOC has, by law, companies of a certain size must report to EEOC. So this is not sample data, it's no statistical variation. It just is what it is. And I looked at certain industries that are supposedly high tech industries, not all of them, some of them in my head, pulled it out of the pan zeros for minorities, period. And so in order to have something from a paper, I just selected some like Office and computing machines, electrical, distributing equipment, and communications equipment. What I tried to do was show you where that are, where you can get more detail. You can look at this data by race, ethnic group, cross hatched by sex, they have it back to 1962. What do you have to do to get the basic data then don't use their computations, then you don't get confused. But yeah, just true. Do your own work. And then that's what government is. They give you the data, you do what you want with it, draw your own conclusions, that's the best thing to do. Don't don't have people interpreting for you. Now, as I see it, in the technological industries, minority women are basically opportunists. Remember those roles? Okay. Basically, opportunity over here, the blue collar right here, where's the 20.0 lockiges. That's for all industries. We don't that mind is just for comparison purposes, which we're looking at as is the industries that I've selected here. But in all industries, except the telephone communications. Were many opportunities in this in here. Now, the telephone communications industry includes ATT ATT was a party in one of the biggest most lawsuits, discrimination suits. So you could say this might be an aberration otherwise, they may all have been here. Just like everyplace else, at the communications industry, telephone communications industry, the majority of the women and minorities women and bar office and clerical, Unknown Speaker 1:03:35 in medical student are supplied is like it like what assembly or well they make Unknown Speaker 1:03:41 medical instruments, whatever, you know what, what it calls, things that take your blood pressure, and I don't know what our x ray machine whatever they make, you know, they're classified according to the Standard Industrial Classification. There is a description of them. I didn't bother to write down their description of the industries this time but it does make a difference. You know, that sort of thing. It makes a difference as to where these industries are located. Minorities are not heavily into the upper northeast. Other New York City, when you go further north, you go fewer minorities, you go fine. So you the Northeast is considered your high tech area. The West Coast southwest area is a growing high tech area. There may be more people of Hispanic origin, but not a lot. So they're not sometimes where the jobs are if you're talking about this as being the future, but where they are Unknown Speaker 1:04:42 the assembly Unknown Speaker 1:04:44 or the clerical office clerical job. Now that may tell you something about vulnerability even within a so called growth area Unknown Speaker 1:05:03 we have heard about Atari and I think there were several firms that moved out even before Atari and said that our target was late taking the jobs to Hong Kong those are supposedly the new technology jobs that were lost. And all I'm saying is reading these numbers and thinking about what's going on now. What does the future look like for minority women? I mean, you know, I had to look I didn't know what I was gonna find. I just found all these minority women as professionals there's one industry they have that even comes anywhere remotely near the distribution of all women minority. That's obviously computing machines. Miscellaneous electronic equipment looks like they're hardly any women professionals means that they don't have anybody that they hadn't hired by an attorney but colleges could find anybody in the minority surely, to be professionals, even amongst those who are going into engineering school or math majors or physicists or whatever it takes to be in this industry. Unknown Speaker 1:06:15 For example, building Unknown Speaker 1:06:19 sales work with sales were apparently in high tech industries the sales work for the most part must be pretty much related to the profession. Yeah, yeah selling can't find and minority women do sales work. That that is a high popularity for women. And it's growing 40% or something clear clerical opportunites some in Labor's Shana not go to bed if you talk to service workers, and you say well, that something probably not. Unknown Speaker 1:07:06 Okay, let's see what else is around here now we want to look at projections. Okay. Unknown Speaker 1:07:21 I mean, I had about six. Unknown Speaker 1:07:24 But you don't want to get that this is projections to 9999. Minority Women Unknown Speaker 1:07:45 in the largest projected occupations. And do you remember that gave the list this morning of what was projected to be needed by 1990? And how it related to high technology? I think that was so always say clerks, cashiers, waiters, general clerks, professional nurses, food preparation service workers fast food. Okay. Secretary secretaries truck drivers Unknown Speaker 1:08:35 so can you understand the chart? Reading? Unknown Speaker 1:08:41 Okay, this is what is expected this will be so the biggest BLS says this, how many jobs we will get between now 99 between 78 and 99. They expect about 671 million new jobs. Yeah, everything's good. But there's no Illinois. Secretary minority, I think that there's an error on this table, because I don't see minority women as a percent of the fast food service workers. So there's some Unknown Speaker 1:09:16 some figures here that are missing. Is that what it is? Yeah. Unknown Speaker 1:09:22 Oh, I see the secretaries but no fans. Help us with accounting. Unknown Speaker 1:09:29 Now countenance, by the way, is a job that in this year 1983 1982 was the first time we could look at it as a large one larger occupations for women period, as it counts as a growth application for women and they don't even expect that's what it says and I'm thinking that there will be more than that. And I had this table verified. I'm embarrassed projections Well, the Bureau of Labor Statistics has done our whole assumption, a whole program, they've done the whole economy, they look at the growth in the population labor force, by race, sex ethnic group, they look at the projections for industry growth. And that sort of thing. I must say this was done in 1978, the projections, they just got out there, the publication that summarize that all whole economic projections to 1990 and a bullshit. But some of these assumptions that they have, and there's a myriad of assumptions will have to be adjusted, they were attacked by the Urban Institute, for example, for not looking at the family, marital and family characteristics of the labor force, and doing their projections, and they don't. Also their projection is that they will come to zero growth in 90 nights where they do it. But this is the best that is available. This is what policies being made on this what everybody is reporting and dealing with. Now, I also think that the assumption did not include the recession, but I guess you could call it the major recession that we have, have been experienced. It did not include. And and while they might have looked for some bumps along the way, they didn't expect, I don't think they expected the sharp adjustments that we've had to face, both nationally and internationally. I don't think nobody can project everything, nobody can predict perfectly. And Bureau of Labor Statistics is no better than anybody else really nail the company to the best they can get together. And this is what they've done. Now I'm gonna give you some more. See what else around that was an embarrassment check. Unknown Speaker 1:12:07 These are the fast growing occupations, those who are willing to large jobs. Those are the fast growing occupations. Unknown Speaker 1:12:15 I couldn't even get minority women get minority. So I had to just give you a percentage. Because the fast Unknown Speaker 1:12:26 growing occupation. Unknown Speaker 1:12:29 I even put down things like parallel legal personnel couldn't get anything. Tax payer was I couldn't get anything. And was the travel agents and accommodation afraid I couldn't do anything on that. But that's also one of the fastest growing these the ones that they will the percentage growth will be great. But the numbers are not large. They're not a lot of opportunities there. The biggest opportunities will be childcare attendants, nurses aides and orderlies. When minorities are given it up, and corrections officers, you know, jails and things like that. And fast food workers again, and computer programs. Unknown Speaker 1:13:06 So the computer one, I mean, just reflecting all the data that you have on who's taking this in secondary school, it's going to be Asian Pacific Islanders, it's not gonna be black, who's ready? And who would have if you look at what was Unknown Speaker 1:13:19 ready and who isn't right, this is upon us. This isn't change that's coming. It's going on? Who's Unknown Speaker 1:13:25 ready for the technological, Unknown Speaker 1:13:28 if the door is open, and you're not ready, you can't go out the door. I mean, that's the way I made. I couldn't find minority women, that's all I could I could give you minority with women. Here, I can only give him an artist hope to someone who was okay. But I don't I couldn't give you that. So I mean, there are opportunities here for people that are in the growth in the fast growing occupations that well, you don't need a lot of formal education, but maybe training for instance, office machine and cash register services. You take a screwdriver or something and you fix them, but it doesn't take them to go through or you know, but Unknown Speaker 1:14:16 this is where they are, by the way, this is where our 82 but then this is the jobs that are projected to grow the fastest. Okay. So what I'm saying is, they are there, they're in the right place, those few that you can find. But when we looked at where people are now, in large numbers, the gap is huge. The gap is huge. Now of course we can all go into nurses aides Unknown Speaker 1:14:42 and childcare attendants. Unknown Speaker 1:14:46 What an interesting thing about childcare tenants. Is it minority women are not childcare tenants are people's homes. You know, they have maids in people's homes. They not childcare, Josephine's homes. That's not minority News. If that's not an argument, childcare attempts to teach homes Unknown Speaker 1:15:10 nurse's aide and overly that people also who work as a waitress or whatever it managed to say, Yeah, nurses Unknown Speaker 1:15:19 aides, and we can get that. But it didn't make sense to put that one thing out there and just spread. All right. But basically, basically, I couldn't get in most of these patients. Unknown Speaker 1:15:37 I mean, there are places there where women could use, I mean, could do something. I mean, dental hygiene syrup, most of that most of all of those jobs, but until they have an origin. Unknown Speaker 1:15:51 And in that case, you could say just about all of those people. But architects, that hardly any women architects, they're not many architects anyway. Unknown Speaker 1:16:06 So I mean, there's not gonna be opportunity for a million people to be architects. And when we're talking about millions of people, and we're looking at 94,000 jobs in 1982. Unknown Speaker 1:16:20 And it'll be a plan. Unknown Speaker 1:16:24 It's interesting, it's interesting that they really don't have a lot of, they don't predict a lot of high tech jobs for this country. Unknown Speaker 1:16:33 Well, you know, what they're saying they're saying that they practically got all the programs, you know, they don't need a whole lot more programs, that, you know, they're saying that they can get computers now that can program or, you know, write programs. So, if you have the skills to be a programmer, it maybe doesn't pay you to get too comfy. I mean, you know, you have to be second somebody skating on you all the time. I mean, I feel obsolete, completely obsolete. Unknown Speaker 1:17:04 They ripped me out the government. Unknown Speaker 1:17:10 Back school, learn how to compute Unknown Speaker 1:17:13 what to do. Now. I think that we need some suggestions anyway. Now this is the ILO. Unknown Speaker 1:17:25 Three, three, okay. I won't do it anymore. I think I've given you enough to give you an idea of what is going on. I have a few other things. For instance, ILO has done something looking at occupations that will be affected, I looked at were international. No, I think don't have some other planes. Unknown Speaker 1:17:43 3333, we have the Netherlands we have some leads, and I guess they're gonna give people a break after. Unknown Speaker 1:17:50 But anyway, the occupations that I looked at were a clerical occupations. And we know where minorities are in federal occupations. And they're gonna be in fact, that's basically what it says, and I have a table on that. But I'm also we're looking to see who else would be impacted by technology among minorities. And there's a bunch of minority women that people don't talk about much. And I thought the comments this morning, was very interesting, in relation to the impact of robots and being having the trend of impacting men's jobs, and that we already knew how this was going to happen. There's a group of minority women that a lot of people don't face up to, and that is a minority with a Unknown Speaker 1:18:40 blue collar supervisor. Unknown Speaker 1:18:43 Okay, I want to check to the, to a lot of that work in the factories where they are the first line that they've been promoted one step up, and this will make a little bit better pay. And I feel that this is an Unknown Speaker 1:19:00 area that's going to be impacted Unknown Speaker 1:19:03 by this market. And there's a lot it's quite a few minority women and those jobs. And I do think that all of them are very vulnerable to robotization. The assembly line worker and their immediate supervisor because according to the Office of Technology Assessment Systems, which is the arm of Congress, the supervision and control will be at a distance done by computers is set standard and this is the way to come through and computers will do most of that. And so I have looked at this group as a group that is vulnerable to change Unknown Speaker 1:19:50 to the Unknown Speaker 1:19:54 and I wanted to do to see that okay, cool. Was that awkward tattoos, were one of them. Now, I had some ideas of things that were going to happen to him. And I think we discussed the, I don't think I'll get into the education because we went into that. But I think that we need to spend some time if you want to on what's gonna happen to these workers, to these people to this large number of people who, as I see it on the margins, now. And Unknown Speaker 1:20:31 the ones that are the ones that are to come, Unknown Speaker 1:20:37 they have come in, you have all of these conversions in the middle of a recession, that's going to get worse. You think the recession is going? Well, if a big session, you get depression as far as everybody that lives? Unknown Speaker 1:20:51 Well, when you have one in five people unemployed. Depression, and, and maybe worse net and so Unknown Speaker 1:20:57 on, and then you talking about, you know, the market that's already laid off and have to go through a whole retraining and Unknown Speaker 1:21:05 they love it. And then what what should they be retraining for? I have some questions in my mind. I have some questions at the end of the world, I mean, the computer chip and the microchip may not be the last word and technology, somebody may come up with another brilliant idea. So they say it comes from businessman or business persons. What is the what should they be? Should they be doing short term strategy and training for the next job that will pay as the as Maria said, it lasts about three years? She says down there? I don't know that. I don't know what the future holds. And I would I mean, here are the who are the ones who could think about it strategize? What should be the short term strategies for these workers. For the policymakers, what should they be recommending? What should they be doing? And then what what recommendations do you have? Unknown Speaker 1:22:08 I don't have a specific recommendation. But I think that there is two way of looking at the technology first, you have to know about it. You know, that seemed like he did in the conference today, or know about the figures and what the technology means what the represent. Also, we have to do, even if we don't have any participation whatsoever. The look, the kind of shop that even marginally can use some kind of technology. And I'm not saying to look in order that the minority people stay there. But I think they start to build with the familiar. Be familiar with the growth of the technology, we have a program a microcomputers are NASA coordinated. And for instance, they come say, Well, I want to learn word processing, but I don't like typing that you can see. And I think the goal, our goal is not really defining word processing, because what processes is very simple, you know, you have a menu and you sit down in the machine, you can do it in three days. But meanwhile you do that, then the minority woman who comes from the factory, people who are new to machine, and look at the machine and understand the machine, and then they have something to say, then you know, if they ask her, or if they have a stress in the back, you know, they will, they will be affected by and I see that they can say something about it in the long term policy, but if we don't know anything about, then it's very, very difficult as what I Unknown Speaker 1:23:53 say, then I have a problem that you're talking about. Do you know enough about it to be against it? Unknown Speaker 1:24:02 It's very unrealistic? Because I mean, the reality is that if you look at the minority, the number of minority people that are writing this conference, watching this morning and saying, Well, this is very interesting, that you're very present. I mean, you have we happen to be a very aware small group of people, you know, so that while you have people coming, to learn to be trained and can go through the help in terms of the development, new policies to help technology be more comfortable with people's lives in the workplace. We have a very, very serious problem that people just dealing with technology period. And and I'm an educator, and for the longest time, I didn't want to deal with computers. Now I'm in love with this computer. But the fact of the matter is that who is designing the programs, who were the ones being prepared to deal with, with with this whole thing. Who was it people that eventually are going to I mean the small cream of the crop, it's going to fit in there much response writer, this assassin from Africa said, Don't Don't come to me about technology. We don't even have books where I have to teach. And you're talking about computers, we don't have books. So if I don't have books to use for students, how the hell are they going to even learn machines when Unknown Speaker 1:25:14 we have, you know, Unknown Speaker 1:25:15 there's a quantum leap. And if you can take that same example right here, where there's the communities are infested by Unknown Speaker 1:25:22 a commissioner upon civil rights pattern paper, which I talked about Unknown Speaker 1:25:25 boom, and you're talking about huge, I mean, it's really incredible. Teenage pregnancy is absolutely staggering. In the community. And these and these and these young sisters came and deal with what has happened to them that what you're telling me about technology, Unknown Speaker 1:25:41 what can something be done? Well, what you're saying is that there needs to be some kind of maladministration up was a policy to deal with what to call interrupting this trend towards teen pregnancy so that these teenagers can adjust to the realities of world of how they could be a nice job to the family? Well, there has to be education. Unknown Speaker 1:26:11 I seem to have a couple of agendas here. Unknown Speaker 1:26:14 I mean, I think what you know, what Lois is talking about? Is the educated, struggling intellectual debate about how do we find technology coming from an understanding of the sociological ramifications of technology? That was the agenda today? There are a lot of us, including myself more interested in you know, helping the ordinary minority person struggling alone to get a decent job and a minimum wage, the whole other agenda? And I'm not quite sure it's fair to criticize because I don't think, well, I don't know, maybe it is because maybe they thought they were addressing different stages, this is a different thing. I'm saying all of these are problems arising here. But what's arising in here, the needs in here on rock bottom social, socio economic problems that are have to do with survival, right, and training people in hygiene, you know, how to deal with your sexual cycle and in a civilized way, and you're not just a rabid robot? Unknown Speaker 1:27:14 I say that this is a survival question. Unknown Speaker 1:27:19 To do with the agenda of today. I mean, I said the huge gap here there is. And how do you Unknown Speaker 1:27:33 go about that in order to participate, because the impact will be there anyway. And the problem as I see it as Hispanic persons is that if we don't know about, then the other people would make the decision for us. Unknown Speaker 1:27:47 No, the point is that technology is not the most appropriate goal to approach the basic problems from you don't approach a basic problem. How can we make you understand so that you can go and be a computer operator, I mean, I don't want to I don't want to go as a technology myself. I'm a humanist, I want to hear about teaching Latin, again, public schools, you know, all these finer things of life that capitalism doesn't pay for, like foreign language and understanding other cultures and all that. I don't want to go to Unknown Speaker 1:28:16 millions of people. Yeah, but putting some Hispanic guys by language, just by nature is everyone in this country. You see, but they don't understand the machine language. And if you if you teach them the machine language, then they can compete better on and if we don't do that now, from the elementary school, they wouldn't be behind. But then you decided Unknown Speaker 1:28:45 to build up other fantasy sites, you know, go into work in the computer. Well, I don't know Unknown Speaker 1:28:52 that you have choices. Your choice. I don't have to go into clerical and nursing. I think we have to be educated as to what your choices are and what technology means and where they fit. Because a lot of kids think now that they can go into after high school, they can get into McDonald's and whatever and you know, just do these kinds of jobs, a little clerical positions after school or something like that, but that will not be a realistic choice. Five years from now it will Unknown Speaker 1:29:18 be