Unknown Speaker 00:01 Testing 12345678. It's very Unknown Speaker 00:08 nice to see you poring over the book to really do that, during the rest of the workshop. And afterwards, even on some of the books that I'll be talking about, there are many more. Because feminist utopian fiction has almost been a kind of movement movement in the last 10 years. It's a result, of course of the feminist movement, and an expression of what will be possible for women, if they can really let your mind go and play with alternative social structures. After hearing our speakers this morning, we have ample evidence of something that I'm sure many of us were aware of already that technology in and of itself, is not advantageous. So one of the things that I'll be talking about in terms of sentiments because until really thinking about how a new framework and social framework will enable us to lead the rest of our thinking about technology functions, I think we need to take that gigantic imaginative leap before we can begin to change the way technology. In the course of the workshop, today, I'll make some remarks in which I'll give you a little background in the token speculation. And send around three terms that are crucial for a workshop utopia of feminism, and technology. And then I want to give you a sense of the structure of things, I'm going to ask you to break up into probably three groups, so that you can have a more intense discussion of some of the issues raised this morning and some of the issues in connection with some utopian fiction. And I will be giving you some excerpts from some of these novels. And you can read a bit of that, and that might trigger some discussion on feminist utopias and then I'd like to have him come back and report to the rest of us along with after discussing for maybe 45 minutes or so. So that's the overall structure. What I'd like to do at the very beginning is to get a sense of who's here and what your interests are. And that may help us in dividing up into two could you I think I would start going around and ask you to give your name and why you're interested in feminist utopian fiction is quite novel. Any you read what your point your background is a feminist utopia? So maybe we could start coming in maybe we could start over here and you could just say I can make my sexuality better just curious. I read a lot. Yes. Wonderful. I don't really like technology a lot of good thanks. My name is Sarah and I think the only thing I've read is the marriage between the green and the radical faces and Unknown Speaker 03:36 I felt that there was something Unknown Speaker 03:37 appropriately cynical Unknown Speaker 03:39 about going to a conference on technology and it took very good My name is Marcin location Unknown Speaker 03:55 i I'm also a huge fan of science fiction. Unknown Speaker 04:01 So it's a natural Yes. Have you read quite a few of these books? Of what's on the table? No. Unknown Speaker 04:06 I work in order to have Unknown Speaker 04:10 a way to the way that theory candidates. Unknown Speaker 04:15 And Martin, I'm assistant book editors redirections for women. I think the only one I've read up there is Mars pierced ears are even more Yeah, well it was a good one to begin with. Hansen and I'm like always read like mealtime stuff Excuse me. Women of Unknown Speaker 04:46 the time the legend is jealous. Yeah. So Unknown Speaker 04:53 the worst worst thing and the wonderful Unknown Speaker 04:59 night But I came to this fun session I hate writing papers oh okay good novels to read Unknown Speaker 05:20 Okay Unknown Speaker 05:23 My name is Kathy Emery and Unknown Speaker 05:25 practice history secondary school and Unknown Speaker 05:48 I've been attending a school and after reading those numbers Unknown Speaker 05:59 very badly I said that my papers Unknown Speaker 06:04 and I have her amendment Unknown Speaker 06:06 so my name is Marina was a student at Montclair State English major newspaper when my son happens to read a little bit of Dyslexics watch posters Unknown Speaker 06:28 wander around and some other people Unknown Speaker 06:34 I'm also a major a minor Unknown Speaker 06:39 with my professor but also I'm constantly questioning how to integrate circumcised with our society ended up in Venezuela which made the mid of fabric and I wish now I invited people to study that somehow I just really close with the search results and I haven't signed up I just want to do this to Babylon Unknown Speaker 07:13 just to look down and look forward Unknown Speaker 07:18 when I was in town when I decided Unknown Speaker 07:20 to move to Atlanta and I'm very interested because she is fabulous teachers and some fabulous Unknown Speaker 07:40 you don't have the Unknown Speaker 07:41 company wonderful container teaching English and I hate science fiction I'm here because I think it's time that I look at something like read the weave weave in my pocket as to search for ad revenue timer Unknown Speaker 08:23 yes we can hear that Unknown Speaker 08:40 also got a lot of people Unknown Speaker 08:42 to nominate for applying a lot of us consider Unknown Speaker 08:50 them and others have looked at our executive coaching programs is that the case? Yeah good Unknown Speaker 09:11 drama in Unknown Speaker 09:16 good idea right My name is Elaine everything's just talking about before we got there I know there are a few others coming up to the plate Willie My name is Thomas White philosophy I teach opium theory a lot work for Private and Corporate a lot of close friends because I really don't want to connect with Unknown Speaker 11:09 your writer right from the Ketopia by fiction Unknown Speaker 11:13 I like I like science fiction because I think it's more work I think Tessa said yesterday last night wonderful moment at the moment I've been trying not to do Unknown Speaker 11:49 it I fly I've Unknown Speaker 11:51 read several Unknown Speaker 11:52 books tonight because I don't get to surprise people for the first time the call I don't know a lot of them have lots of seminars and Unknown Speaker 12:24 I've read four or five Unknown Speaker 12:29 yesterday my Unknown Speaker 12:31 last go around three words to offer Unknown Speaker 12:55 I guess my resume Unknown Speaker 12:58 and I haven't heard about chart the right thing to do now this is a great question but yes I don't know that I'm gonna repeat that my god right everybody and I finally Unknown Speaker 13:45 got a lot of ideas Unknown Speaker 13:48 for how to be more effective we get together there was drama Unknown Speaker 14:13 The cost of the global Unknown Speaker 14:29 smartphone a whole lot more fun I can't find it. I Unknown Speaker 14:48 can't draw your Unknown Speaker 14:51 vision in politics. Unknown Speaker 15:00 The Medical navigation network Unknown Speaker 15:09 if you have been covering a lot of ground Unknown Speaker 15:17 covered with the public your freshman Unknown Speaker 15:55 year Oh yeah, that would be nice I'm a real part of the cannabis theory. So if you were to buy about that, at some point maybe just to prove that I do think that Unknown Speaker 16:37 since several of you have mentioned that you'd like additional bibliography, I think I'm going to pass out a bibliography at this point. I was intending to do a little bit later, but I think we'll maybe take a look at common book. This is a highly selected bibliography. In fact, I have a more extensive for those of you who would like a workbook to be I'll keep up here and you can get it at the end of the workshop. Unknown Speaker 17:08 Everybody getting them. Unknown Speaker 17:34 You can see it is a banjo with really finely selected there's Unknown Speaker 17:38 a lot of writing has been going Unknown Speaker 17:39 on in the last 15 years, probably at first. I, United States denied mentors and the women has been turning more and more to devising a utopian world not the first world for utopian science fiction. And I frankly have never been Unknown Speaker 17:59 science fiction at Unknown Speaker 18:01 all. I came to this whole thing to Unknown Speaker 18:07 identify with you when you were Unknown Speaker 18:09 talking earlier about Unknown Speaker 18:12 formally being Sikh and menstruation and then finding yourself unable to read it at that period of time. My own background is in Renaissance literature, I Unknown Speaker 18:21 got my PhD here at Columbia, Unknown Speaker 18:25 and adult education. And so I came at the whole thing, really with a very definite utopia. And I began to wonder if the writing community Unknown Speaker 18:36 decided would be fun to teach a course on that. And almost read the books right along with the first time I thought it was one of the most exciting classes because we were all so turned on by possibility that we could never competed before in terms of alternate Unknown Speaker 18:51 ways of living, ultimate. That it really just going to narrow in the length because Unknown Speaker 18:57 this is all Unknown Speaker 18:59 about their next move. And one of the things I'd like to think about a little bit both. And talking to you now and Unknown Speaker 19:17 when we get into our group, is why is it that women have turned to utopian speculation about why this upsurge and it's a remarkable change, both in terms of feminist writing, when you're trying to add in terms of utopian tradition. Because the Tolkien tradition, as most Unknown Speaker 19:41 of you probably realized, was written by men and portray Unknown Speaker 19:44 women in negative ways for 1000s of years. And so this is a really dramatic change Unknown Speaker 19:52 to each of us taking the 90s into their Unknown Speaker 19:54 minds and wanting to know about that new 17th century Unknown Speaker 19:59 but Because the first significant, I would say Unknown Speaker 20:04 probably going to mean and then Unknown Speaker 20:07 it's a long day I mean, Unknown Speaker 20:10 first of utopian writing Unknown Speaker 20:12 in the last 15 years Unknown Speaker 20:17 so what I want to look at today in both the concept of use of utopia and why it might be appealing to women how feminist Utopia fiction has changed the utopian genre and how conversely utopia and how feminism or Michod women plan their future and finally, how feminist utopian fiction together to help the FBI Director right now but before I say anything much about it because I'm going to have my five problems with point of view I wonder if we could take a few minutes to just get down to the new ideas and slowly start what the concept of Utopia is and what Unknown Speaker 20:59 what feminists utopian fiction might do with technology right Unknown Speaker 21:30 the first thing I'd like you to just make a note about is what is your notion of Utopia What are your associations to Utopia there's quite a range actually possibility. The second thing Unknown Speaker 22:12 you could isolate three values that you think would be primary in Unknown Speaker 22:17 your own Utopia if you Unknown Speaker 22:19 were to define an ultimate and better society Unknown Speaker 22:30 which values do which value do you think would be primary in your own utilities if you were to design your Own alternative? Unknown Speaker 23:37 And finally, what do you think the function or place of technology will be independent of Unknown Speaker 23:46 the function of playful technology? Right, hang on to Unknown Speaker 24:33 those for use in the groups later on. And you can add to them more think about some more before we get into the group. What I'm going to Unknown Speaker 24:42 do is talk a little bit about Utopia about feminism Unknown Speaker 24:44 and about technology and then ask you to meet we'll be back to the word Utopia The standard dictionary definition, any place or situation of social and political perfection. And I think that the association that a lot of people have with utopia. And personally, I think it's misleading and responsible for much of the disinterest in utopian speculation. utopian speculation was intended primarily to trigger thoughts about the good society, and about the qualities of the good life, not to prescribe, either not to set up a blueprint for what would be the best possible place and expect everybody to rush to achieve it. In other words, it was philosophical in orientation originally. And this is true for Plato's Republic, which we could probably call the first Unknown Speaker 25:51 Utopia through Unknown Speaker 25:53 Moore's work on 1516. And up through the 18th century, really the period of what we can call the classical utopia, and Moore's coining of the term because the disappointed with his work and 1516 plays upon the philosophical or mental gymnastics aspect of the utopian exercise, because it's taken from the Greek with a pun on you top off means like, eu means no, and EU means happy. So the word originally pond, making you think of a happy place, a good place, not a perfect place, but I'm happy or good place, which was at the same time, no place. So inherent in the etymology of the genre, is the notion that this is a game. This is intellectual play. And that was the real thrust of utopian speculation from the very beginning. Classical utopias for philosophical and orientations primarily aimed at changing individual attitudes, rather than social reform. Were sophisticated rhetorically, were a combination of humor, and seriousness, word work is enormous ly ironic. There's a good deal of ironic way and make with us Plato's Republic. I think we can include both rodeway and swift, in the classical utopian genre, and you can get some sense of humor, the comedy, the with the rhetorical sophistication that was there and the genre for its whole early period. Now, there was a dramatic change in token speculation in the 19th century. When the material progress, our industrialization, the increased technology available during the 19th century began to allow people to think that maybe indeed the good society could be achieved. Because classical utopias were all based on the assumption that human nature is faulty, and we will never be able to achieve a perfect social organization or interaction. 19th century utopias, on the other hand, were based on the notion that human nature was perfectible and that we can come much closer to an ideal society. Most of you know there are many many utopias written in the 19th century, and never heard so many of you have been bitten by so many. But probably the most outstanding paradigm of utopias during the 19th century, it does rebellious looking backwards, which was one of the most popular books ever written country translators sold abroad, in great volume as well. And it describes an industrial and technological paradigm. Boston in the year 2000. The valley believed that so many people, so many utopian thinkers during that period, that industrialization material, advanced centralization, could bring equality and prosperity to all. Now, when I say just about any of the closing conditions, of course, all these men, we have very little real recognition of the plight of women in any of these. But what Bellamy did and what others in the 19th century did was essentially split off what was a very complex genre that united by imagination, ideology theory of myth and humor into a one directed social reform program. I oversaw my perspective over simplifying utopian jobs. And most of the work are not completely valid, he takes himself very seriously. And there was a real effort to try to implement immediately the work of felony information of national clubs all around the country and again, to try and recognize the good life here now. Now, the change that began to occur in the 20th century As we're putting the same values that have been so promising of human progress, technology, scientific advanced materialism, were recognized as an centralization of authority were recognized as inherently dangerous. It was recognized that the same thing could lead you to Caltrain safe and utopian genre and did a complete flip and turned into a nightmare turned into dystopia or the bad place. And so the kinds of work that we have been written in the early 20th century, to the first half of our Unknown Speaker 30:40 utopias, depicting the dangers of technology, central centralization, industrialization, and notable among them, of course, Donya into the hub for the brave new world, and George Orwell's 1984. Now, when he told me and studied, it's been quite commonplace to say that the utopian genre kind of petered out that it just wasn't working anymore, because we were living in Tolkien age people couldn't conceive of reopening. And one of the things that's very interesting about looking at feminist utopias, in the context of this historical view of Utopia, is to see how significant they are in restoring the whole original utopian impulse, with all of its energy, something that had been thought last. But because these books are written by women, they're largely ignored. So do you still have together you can still get together in utopian groups? And in fact, there's been a recent study utopian thought in the Western world, which some of you may know, there's a lot of a study by him very solidly studied by the manuals from 800 pages, which concludes by saying that there is no genuine utopian dream today, that all of the plans for the future are currently extrapolations from the past. But what the manuals are missing is this whole group of fantasy. Both an enormously important area of fiction for utopia. Now, what about the poor feminism itself? We've seen the inadequacies of my mind, the inadequacies of definitions of Utopia, this is called a perfect place, because you can forget about it really gets to a perfect place. Of course, definitions of feminism or at least is inadequate. It was kind of amusing to look up the definition actually, that it says it's the attempt for women to gain social and political equality, and the movement, which is part of that attempt. They don't even include economic equality in the definition. But of course, feminism, it seems to me it's much more than that. It's a real revolutionary concept. A total change in point of view, in fact, is completely random said to me one day, and I've always remembered it. She said, when you're really a feminist you think constantly about every issue. How does it affect women? Anything that comes up? How does it affect women? Where are women in this particular situation? And that's really what feminism mean. And I think the feminist theory, of course, in the last 20 years has been radically revising all of our disciplines, because it has asked that question, in every single day, whether it's in history of apology, or philosophy, or hope, hopefully, getting the assignment to something a Unknown Speaker 33:41 little further away, certainly the nature Unknown Speaker 33:44 to take a look at our past and say, What were women really doing? What is the actual to do for us to take a look at our presence? And say, how do we really feel? And it means a formalization of all the systems for research. And I think what's going on, and this has said this morning, is me too, is an effort really, to separate myth, the myth what women are supposed to feel what women are supposed to want, what supposedly did, what women are capable of the myth that we all grew up with, from the fact of what we actually feel what women actually did, what we might be capable of. And that's not an easy task. I don't think that's an easy task, but that's certainly what we're about. Where does them fit into the issue? So central efforts of feminism approached in many different ways. It seems to me they fit in a very crucial way. Because how is it possible? If you begin to discover what it is women really are, like, really want really are capable of how is it possible to imagine it In a context completely separate from society, which is what you have to do in our society. And I think that's why women have churned in such large numbers to creating worlds where this full development is possible. Because in our present world, it's not too difficult. So the effort to try and find a society that will be hospitable woman's autonomy, woman's creativity, wonderful development, is the effort behind feminist utopia. When I think of all the important theorists, feminist theorists, in recent years, I, I give up on trying to isolate a number that would be directly relevant and I think I'll just arbitrarily name a couple of people whose books I've read recently would come and think to me, well, relevance 271 is archetypal patterns and women's fiction by hanapin. Female and the other, Carol Guildenstern are different for now fret document, female enclosure, women's descent into madness in novel as a novel written by women, and that's been done by other feminist theorists as well, of course. But something she says in her book really struck me. She said, when women are supposed to assume adulthood, today, unlike men are not going to be growing up, they're going to be growing down. Women are asked to grow dumb to fit into society. Did you say that one, women feel so much more homogeneous in nature, because they can be the most authentic selves. And why we see so often in women's novels, moments of natural epiphany, where they try and move into the institutions of our society, they are asked to give up their self development, be self sacrificing, be gladly be patient, and during be ignored, any number of things at various levels. But I think we all experience that no matter how far we'd like to think we're getting away from it, if you're going to be involved in social institutions, as they are, on the other hand, is Carol Gilligan, four points out into relationships, and you just brought up this morning to in a relationships are very important in connection with other people. connection can be with animals in nature. This is very important to them. So we give up that social interaction in order to develop themselves is an especially difficult sacrifice, which I think may account for the reason so many women, they continue to give up their options, their opportunity, and so on. The cost is just too high. And of course, Gilligan suggests the reason for that, and it's I think it's a very interesting study. She's positing the fact that there may be a difference in the psychological and moral development of men and women. And she, she said that this is probably because I want you to trace a bit more than I tried to analyze. Probably because women are the primary nurturers in our society. Therefore, men growing up with mothers must separate in order to achieve their sexual identity. women growing up remain attached. And so the most important experience for women throughout their psychological and moral development is attachment. The most important experience for men the separation and conversely, the most difficult thing for men is intimacy. Unknown Speaker 38:59 And the most difficult thing for women is choice. Exercising judgment, separately, gaining. Of course, that very issue, if it is indeed cause if Gilligan and others have projected by the fact that women are the primary nurturer is another reason for needing the feminist utopian model, which among many of the other radical alternatives it proposes, if multiple parents, genuine, multiple parents, usually not just two people, usually three or more. And both sexes, if it is indeed a heterosexual Utopia are equally involved in the nurture of children. And until they break that basic paradigm, it seems to me we're going to have an enormous difficulty in really changing the gender roles in our society. So feminist utopia is allowed to do that. similarly Gilligan's whole concept about the importance of attachment is reflected in all of them. Where human relationships are a primary focus, the primary value is not success, it's not worth it's not achievement, Unknown Speaker 40:19 achievement done in that Unknown Speaker 40:22 corporate world out there Unknown Speaker 40:26 interrelationships among people, it's learning how to communicate that it's learning how to develop our skills related to each other. That's a major focus. Yeah. Go ahead Unknown Speaker 40:47 Let us create a new thing, sometimes reading fiction is a way of not for Unknown Speaker 40:52 you. Well, I know that the data organized again Unknown Speaker 40:55 and not changing the real world. Yeah. And I have a problem. Unknown Speaker 40:59 Okay. I've asked the objection that's raised about utopian speculation, General? And my answer to that is, Unknown Speaker 41:07 here's Unknown Speaker 41:10 the answer of all those who are engaged in literature and writing, without the effort of imagination, to see something totally different, you can't begin a new change. And the thing that feminist utopians do if their work are really allow us to conceive of a different possibility, so that we can begin to learn and genuinely different direction? Not to slight modification? Unknown Speaker 41:36 Sure. Yeah, it was it was like, Unknown Speaker 41:46 Hey, I'm, here we go. Yeah, leave that we have. That is the only other thought I had. Unknown Speaker 41:56 Was that I had to do? A lot. Yeah. Unknown Speaker 42:13 Okay, good point about attachment as well, taking some of the things that we'll be talking about, you know, that the very values that that really do stand for and have representatives that have been downplayed by men, men psychological development. So she's tracing to a woman's logical development and saying it's different from the old paradigm men with a is inferior. Women don't achieve the higher stages of development. She's saying it's not. It's different, and represents a Unknown Speaker 42:43 whole different value structure, which may, in fact, be more important than the world crisis that we're in now. Unknown Speaker 42:48 But there's a resistance in those those values Unknown Speaker 42:54 are down, and Unknown Speaker 42:57 they also have something about it, those attachments are roles that children are assigned for. Unknown Speaker 43:08 That I think traditionally that way it bends at first, the the implication in some of the theory is that women Unknown Speaker 43:15 are more caring more concerned about others. And is it doesn't have to be Unknown Speaker 43:22 mutual relationships, such Unknown Speaker 43:25 as in Central America. But there's a whole lot of care and you're sharing. Do you think those concerns are Unknown Speaker 43:41 you playing devil's advocate? Do you think that there Unknown Speaker 43:43 were backs Unknown Speaker 43:44 to Unknown Speaker 43:47 one's cultural programming those little things that have slipped through unconsciously giving that sort of my opinion? Yeah. I mean, I really Unknown Speaker 43:58 I have a mind that is a question that I have thought about a lot. Because when I think about the valley, you know, you told me about recall bibliography at FSU, there are a number of differences among those books. And yet what is most striking is how much they are. So, is the fact that so many values that women perceive us in society, the result of our cultural conditioning or is there something innate about female I really Unknown Speaker 44:34 discussion about what today was your award It's time for this segment I would love to hear from Unknown Speaker 45:19 you right, not aware of Unknown Speaker 45:42 does not, does not accept? Unknown Speaker 45:47 And I am not aware that you told me about this well, I'd like to hear it okay. I want to abolish technology intern of supplemental growth if you can do it with your next point Unknown Speaker 46:35 do I get accepted within the utopia with and without the am I going to be accepted? I have come to conferences, for example, that advertises itself as accessible, we had to go find guards to open the doors to make it now, they're going to advertise it as accessible that should have been done. Those doors should have been open. And so I'm saying right here right now. Okay, maybe we need a utopia to get there. Okay. And that's Thank you. You don't? Unknown Speaker 47:12 Well, that's true specific things that can be done right now. I think if these were attended the kinds of concerns that should be Unknown Speaker 47:23 there for you now, what do you think because they don't want to say they are working with Unknown Speaker 47:33 you aware of differences in embracing different, Unknown Speaker 47:37 early erode, set up generally, the big issue was when we work together with them and stretching for the era on the steps of god damn Public Library. Now, we might not get up the steps in the classroom, but nobody's looking at the mic. Like I'm not a woman. I'm not an era Unknown Speaker 48:13 major. Technology or our technology goes, I believe that there are technologies and centers. And it's just a different focus on technology, feminist utopia, to be primitive a rat, turning their back on modern society, all kinds of bad. In fact, I would say it's just the history of nuclear technologies Unknown Speaker 48:56 in Sofia, looking for technology for fair Unknown Speaker 49:00 skyscrapers, Unknown Speaker 49:03 wonderful shopping malls, Unknown Speaker 49:05 high production, Unknown Speaker 49:07 hardware, firewalls, nuclear stockpiles, and all the rest of it, you're not going to find it. I'm here today on our national science budget, a federal Unknown Speaker 49:19 budget. Unknown Speaker 49:21 For basic scientific research. Unknown Speaker 49:23 8% of it is correct. Unknown Speaker 49:27 Now that we've been extraordinary progress Unknown Speaker 49:30 of our scientific and technological developments, now that priority is radically changed. Technology. Unknown Speaker 49:41 Waste is not the primary focus on this Unknown Speaker 49:47 type of technology, Unknown Speaker 49:49 I would say just like the top of my head there probably three Unknown Speaker 49:52 or four phases into the technology in tendency COVID One our Unknown Speaker 49:57 technology Unknown Speaker 49:58 communications Unknown Speaker 50:00 From different ways of relating to other information systems methods may or may not be independent because here's this woman Unknown Speaker 50:10 on the edge of time, which many of you are familiar with, Unknown Speaker 50:13 there is a wonderful little consumer risks Unknown Speaker 50:17 which allows you to be in touch with not involvement information from the past from Unknown Speaker 50:24 other areas of society, but your own personal memory. So I suppose Unknown Speaker 50:28 cyborg Unknown Speaker 50:32 machiner can have persons because the feminine person loses his cannon in one pocket two thirds of their personalities thought Unknown Speaker 50:42 what was very advanced technology going on here and a decision made for the new Unknown Speaker 50:50 technologies of communication Unknown Speaker 50:52 are not only technology capable, the wonders Unknown Speaker 50:55 of they're very sophisticated methods of communication, mental or biological energy that are being developed. But they don't involve the use of Unknown Speaker 51:06 their highly sophisticated technology. Unknown Speaker 51:09 I think that we have not allowed ourselves to develop not Unknown Speaker 51:13 only out whenever the same technology is listen, I don't know what Unknown Speaker 51:36 it would be like when Unknown Speaker 51:41 you realize you're sitting in a room wasn't Unknown Speaker 51:48 working and I really enjoy and I live here, I can Unknown Speaker 51:56 relate to that. But reality is reality. Well, I was just going to say that you have to go back again. I mean, I think I came Unknown Speaker 52:21 back to your normal years. Unknown Speaker 52:26 Technology, who Unknown Speaker 52:27 loves technology to love the very Unknown Speaker 52:30 organization it's coming from. Unknown Speaker 52:34 And of course, the FAA was Unknown Speaker 52:36 conceived of being at odds Unknown Speaker 52:40 with or at war with Unknown Speaker 52:43 each other, which is, you know, pretty quickly, post nature. Unknown Speaker 52:52 So you had Tech Day, which operated on a piece of chaotic hardware serial Unknown Speaker 52:59 phase, and tested was the process Unknown Speaker 53:01 of Unknown Speaker 53:02 going for Unknown Speaker 53:04 the resolution for my mother's Unknown Speaker 53:06 weird stranger function, test the joint Unknown Speaker 53:10 organizing and creating Unknown Speaker 53:14 a whole process Unknown Speaker 53:16 conceptualization that's really Unknown Speaker 53:18 the thing is that that was fun for me, Unknown Speaker 53:23 right. You read in the West is that the origin of course, as you say, it is not a gender it's a metaphor, the metaphor which is present Unknown Speaker 53:55 for metaphors and there's two Unknown Speaker 53:58 nouns being closely related. Together, but I just wanted to say that it goes back to the question of the reality of life. There are a lot of good writers only by going back going back Unknown Speaker 54:19 and rework relationships with the old objects Unknown Speaker 54:32 read that that yeah, Unknown Speaker 54:33 like relationship to that process. And accounting Unknown Speaker 54:43 for her mind. To thing that I'm just curious that I don't know where that means. Unknown Speaker 54:57 But the other piece The impact of technology may have been there. And I understand that there are people in this room who don't want to read at all, but I think it's going to be what kind of technology we also have to do with the fact that there was just an hour and a half shorter maybe somebody else Unknown Speaker 55:26 eventually. Absolutely, absolutely. And that's one of the things very beautiful what's going on right. Mirroring Unknown Speaker 55:34 which is which is Unknown Speaker 55:35 interestingly what is the feminist Unknown Speaker 55:36 utopia of course the progressive engineering and genetic experimentation are very important is another Unknown Speaker 55:44 major technology a major focus of the world, but the great differences is they're in the hands of women now, they are in their in the hands of man. Unknown Speaker 55:58 So decisions are enormous Unknown Speaker 56:06 and it will lead to achieve technology Unknown Speaker 56:20 but technology in its origin Unknown Speaker 56:22 is really a neutral term and it's a term associated to the master product and what's important is to find the art or skill associated with a Latin word Vera between to lead to fabricate which has feminine associations and that sort of technology that is really much more in the art so people are very excited when they use advanced technology holographs want to process for rituals for teaching and so on or whether you use old are open houses selling for home sale very very important fabricate Unknown Speaker 57:07 housing imagination for every single Unknown Speaker 57:09 person in Dallas every person Unknown Speaker 57:12 that we speak to this is a primary Unknown Speaker 57:17 concern sometimes the suspicion of technology Unknown Speaker 57:22 seems to be a bit of a kind of material Western people who have Western materialism I can say the different technologies you told me in fiction also has the added people or welfare Unknown Speaker 57:36 yeah Unknown Speaker 57:38 and technology might have something to do with that too. So I think we have to get away from the technologies if so facto awful to use and it was living well to the next stage Unknown Speaker 58:04 relationships and talking about powers and participating parties is not for everything to serve you universal distribution is quite nail technology first nations all over so it's not as you just need to know Unknown Speaker 58:39 what it is. And when you think about food Unknown Speaker 58:44 development, that's another important area that is often not recognized is very Unknown Speaker 58:49 weak because they're concerned with what's going on with eschatology for a reservation the lack of consuming storing the grounded nature and so that that's why I want to get to nonprofit Unknown Speaker 59:06 thinking outside the box Unknown Speaker 59:11 because they said advance away all right Unknown Speaker 59:52 Okay, let's take a look at these three Yeah, I communicate I said to identify the main task and communication, mechanized communication, the art Unknown Speaker 1:00:13 and storytelling. So making painting Unknown Speaker 1:00:25 repeat affirmations try again just experimentation, divine love Unknown Speaker 1:00:33 and nature. And of course, nature is another crucial thing. Unknown Speaker 1:00:43 Men I Unknown Speaker 1:00:44 have been destroying the earth. And women associated with nature and have also been matters Unknown Speaker 1:00:57 who are for women Unknown Speaker 1:00:58 go to a world is a great aligned with nature and with nature. Unknown Speaker 1:01:05 It's interesting to me that when doing advice about Unknown Speaker 1:01:08 female psychological and Unknown Speaker 1:01:09 moral development in a different voice, there's a metaphor that is coming to the tech Unknown Speaker 1:01:15 metaphor of the web Unknown Speaker 1:01:17 to begin to connect, and Mark Pearson four times more confident that saying that a bottoms up in the web is massive. And it's not just among people. So there's a great focus on human relationships that have been people in nature and animals have evolved into non Ira I mean these are not enough Unknown Speaker 1:02:13 power to take care of a nation Unknown Speaker 1:02:20 without having to live Unknown Speaker 1:02:23 as you deserve Unknown Speaker 1:02:25 to find. Our way maybe she'll get past the hierarchical view. So I'm actually keeping track of Unknown Speaker 1:02:52 where she goes. Yeah, yeah. Unknown Speaker 1:02:55 Because I think it's something Michael was Unknown Speaker 1:02:57 doing. And there's sample development of special psychic powers Unknown Speaker 1:03:01 and goes on there. But it's not Unknown Speaker 1:03:05 just different skills for different people. Unknown Speaker 1:03:16 In some parts of the world now not Unknown Speaker 1:03:21 only watch many of the values that come from the EMA take advantage series other prices. You're correct. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's power powered power. Challenge, keep asking the question is power made up by the doubt? As it began UDF? Unknown Speaker 1:03:50 Or can Unknown Speaker 1:03:51 one chop off the floor and just have too Unknown Speaker 1:03:55 much? Oh, yeah. It is going to be all Unknown Speaker 1:04:02 that. That's right. And as long as we do not miss total world, that is Unknown Speaker 1:04:11 what I was leaving at that point here out there where you need Unknown Speaker 1:04:13 to be data. isn't doing Unknown Speaker 1:04:30 hierarchical structure is wattage. How do you reconcile that with continuing interpersonal interactions? I would think that anytime there's any kind of to action, there involves a natural hierarchy in most people's jobs. Unknown Speaker 1:04:52 Separately done, but how about Unknown Speaker 1:04:55 social interaction about social violence? What are we floundering? Unknown Speaker 1:04:59 weaker personalities I suppose. But the people who are more dynamic personalities are not going to get all kinds of politics but in a given instance Unknown Speaker 1:05:12 and in particular meeting where you get together and you're having an argument somebody that are Unknown Speaker 1:05:19 you don't have to deal with that right so that's always good and that was that you can separate them and find out what we might do but if you can do that we might go with you several Unknown Speaker 1:05:55 times we don't know I will never know because we're always Unknown Speaker 1:06:03 excited to react but I think with a very good plan Unknown Speaker 1:06:15 Yeah, I'm interested on the one hand I would like to say and you can have no better and no one but at that point, the question that there comes up is it really possible Unknown Speaker 1:06:34 for people to avoid Unknown Speaker 1:06:38 and start from scratch and Unknown Speaker 1:06:44 is there ever really no better or is that that in itself Unknown Speaker 1:06:52 is dependent upon the perception may not be recycled back to the Unknown Speaker 1:07:01 position of but beyond perception in the real world? I mean, it's my perception that you want to know better than I am like that I will as if the whole world was exactly Unknown Speaker 1:07:15 okay but your perception is Unknown Speaker 1:07:17 going to be perception still is there Unknown Speaker 1:07:24 and how do you change that change Unknown Speaker 1:07:31 I think I might well man was made by God to have legs and on wheels therefore it is like penis got intended fans to have wheels you wouldn't have given them life because that makes your business perception knowledge Unknown Speaker 1:08:00 very well and your point is how do you balance what's different and humans that didn't see success and how anyone we have come to that Unknown Speaker 1:08:15 why is it that women Unknown Speaker 1:08:17 use technology anymore Unknown Speaker 1:08:21 potential fulfilling you know the technologies to to use either Unknown Speaker 1:08:38 very threatening by the goddamn computer that I can talk. I mean, I joke about the fact that the bank teller says please thank you and the human teller does, but by that goddamn machine like I have no way behind and innovative working right and when Unknown Speaker 1:09:06 people use that word Unknown Speaker 1:09:27 as using contrast report Unknown Speaker 1:09:32 and getting out the door Unknown Speaker 1:09:36 and writing the report is very, Unknown Speaker 1:09:40 very similar to that. That will fire up the Wi Fi phone number Unknown Speaker 1:09:59 right If you work at a time, think about it. You're still a secretary, and you Unknown Speaker 1:10:11 want to talk a little bit? On the bills on the sick when it comes to science fiction or utopian literature, but I'm curious how many rural women write utopian literature? And how does that differ from utopian literature that being written by middle class Unknown Speaker 1:10:36 it's essentially the same issue. That is to say, if you're outside of your disenfranchised, you can't afford that. You have to go out there and fight. It can be argued on both Unknown Speaker 1:10:49 sides, that it is important, another disenfranchised. I mean, in a sense, it's not essential. And one strongest numbers of women writing Unknown Speaker 1:11:06 one you should Unknown Speaker 1:11:07 take another What I find interesting literature is finding out the interesting is that I think it's often many times, how far can we go? As we get through differences are accepting, at some point, go online and say, you know, we met? And what do you have to do to do something different. So Unknown Speaker 1:11:30 one of the things that Unknown Speaker 1:11:33 I would love to get into time is one of the ways that a great connection between parents and children Unknown Speaker 1:11:39 was the one point Unknown Speaker 1:11:39 that some people tried to send out a young person aged somewhere in the early 80s, and set out to survive by himself in fluids with very few technological survival. And then through that process is completely fascinating to separate you Unknown Speaker 1:11:56 from the three parents that when a child has bad childhood, parents, Unknown Speaker 1:12:03 that's taken on the whole issue of how our child relationship with psychological Unknown Speaker 1:12:09 development with social relations and one Unknown Speaker 1:12:15 way but that's curiously taking issue with the child and the other fascinating what it takes on specific Unknown Speaker 1:12:26 classes to help your children Unknown Speaker 1:12:30 not because they show by surprise, with impressed by their children, but power and that is the struggle to make men feel Unknown Speaker 1:12:42 power of women has to do with their children. Unknown Speaker 1:12:48 And that she views it as a power not. I mean, while I'm you know, I mean, that's a shift that I can get there are so many similarities. But See also what the differences are. Between the Unknown Speaker 1:13:04 authors and how they issue firearms inevitable entirely, and how they come to people that are pursuing inherent defects and they don't all wash over the thing. Everyone goes, Oh, no, I Unknown Speaker 1:13:18 mean, that's, that's part of the communication with people down with this, okay, let's, Unknown Speaker 1:13:30 let's work it out. Unknown Speaker 1:13:37 Again, March Keirsey, is middle class. And again, I'm asking the same question. How does the utopia for the third world whiter if there is anything going on? And how does it differ? I mean, I have a feeling there's similarity not similarities between Third World and middle class but among middle class writers who are writing about util definitely. Unknown Speaker 1:14:09 All women of color are not poor. Your poor are not voting for not for all new classes that are not going to define your tuition imposing third world middle class defined as entirely white working somehow. Class of considerable race was addressed. Of course, there are two lanes but I am also having to work on the world, not American. And so I went off into the desert roto crisis. They don't really they don't. Yeah, it's like, nobody teaches you everything that's going on. Listen, I don't know, Unknown Speaker 1:15:01 they may not ever have helped me with allergy, but we don't know about other wonderful Unknown Speaker 1:15:10 art descendancy topia Mindvalley telling stories not writing a Unknown Speaker 1:15:15 lot of feminist mythology that we only now is it being written about, but what has never been written? That's Unknown Speaker 1:15:30 right. Yeah, okay. Here's the facts, paradigms ROI, Unknown Speaker 1:15:42 report and all of these numbers. And all of these kinds of people sit down and create a conference ongoing conference, is people get together on a ritual in Calabasas complicated stories about our society with creative flair following people in the community towards the people who reflect the community and ritual ones. They also hybrid conditions. And don't eat any food, but keep each other alive by stories. Unknown Speaker 1:16:16 They say the community feeds each other on stories. It's a wonderful, Unknown Speaker 1:16:19 wonderful one. Unknown Speaker 1:16:23 And the notion is that this whole creative process will be vital Milan. And they need to find me Unknown Speaker 1:16:34 write that down, something is lost something, I want to be interesting twist to the protagonist and content because he is the writer in our world. And to show him the same way. Unknown Speaker 1:16:49 As you totally reformed and constantly admire you and society that she thought was primitive and wants to return it to the society you can scale and write down all stories. Unknown Speaker 1:17:06 And so he makes up his mind to work in Unknown Speaker 1:17:11 the community to help him and he starts writing the story. He wants to get them all in, there's going to be several versions of the creation that there must be one right version who wants to write the correct version of any work that he wants to hear, hear, hear from him. And Unknown Speaker 1:17:29 then one day he runs out of Unknown Speaker 1:17:32 the walls along the side of the farm, like scraping off the walls and Unknown Speaker 1:17:41 one off, somebody else tried to write all these things Unknown Speaker 1:17:44 down 1000s of years ago, that's that's the very tail end of it. And he realized at that point, that there's no point in trying to attach Unknown Speaker 1:17:57 this to their name, or Unknown Speaker 1:18:00 that it's all important. And that was Unknown Speaker 1:18:05 also related to technology. Let's come back to the senses. We don't have to go out and get a skin. We can put it all up. And we can use somebody can push a button and there it is. We have videotape and all of that. So you know what means are Listrik Unknown Speaker 1:18:30 Yes, it's true. This technology in many ways is held back Unknown Speaker 1:18:33 by videotape the dance ceremony. And somebody didn't feed us news from now plugs it into a machine. Is that all history? Yeah. In a different sense than written experience. Unknown Speaker 1:18:45 Yeah, I don't know. It's a good time to get off the track. You mentioned anarchy as a different Unknown Speaker 1:19:00 kind of Unknown Speaker 1:19:02 overwhelming politics, but much fiction over time and all that we are just thinking about Unknown Speaker 1:19:12 nationally Unknown Speaker 1:19:15 what you see it's a very, very formulaic many times when we do our political finances, Unknown Speaker 1:19:33 but essentially what it means to me in some cases, there is not a rigid hierarchy structure. There is not much centralized government. There is no final authority. People coming together arguing now the issue some of the morning some of what happens when they do this in classes, after they've gone on for days are diminishing. And finally, somebody who fails Well, one will prevail, then they will big party and treat the losers Unknown Speaker 1:20:06 to try to restore relationships Unknown Speaker 1:20:09 and so on. But, but nothing's decided Unknown Speaker 1:20:11 until the third or some consensus. Right? What do you see as a wonderful ritual ritual because Unknown Speaker 1:20:30 it's the way I think the individual can Unknown Speaker 1:20:33 relate to a larger community, especially when you're breaking down and tradition, same discussion. Don't have our little life with your family. Unknown Speaker 1:20:43 In my pocket, again, women live in their own place Unknown Speaker 1:20:47 people, people live in their own space, but they do wait for the whole community. So they have this private space, in which I think polls right now using two campuses, but they come together with the community. Coming together with the largest student is enhanced by rituals, rituals of birth and rituals of coming of age, individual young child comes back from that adventure report, member of the adults ritual Unknown Speaker 1:21:15 of death, which is a very tragic Unknown Speaker 1:21:20 death and becomes a major issue really are concerned itself. Unknown Speaker 1:21:26 And when someone dies, the whole community Unknown Speaker 1:21:28 participates in it as they sit around time stories about the person who's died they try they may advance that may Unknown Speaker 1:21:37 be a celebration, Unknown Speaker 1:21:38 but there's a final ratio from Unknown Speaker 1:21:44 a better distance from the shot Unknown Speaker 1:21:52 nonfiction Unknown Speaker 1:22:00 if it's a heterosexual utopia, people need to be largely in Unknown Speaker 1:22:05 typical male female gender roles do not apply. And again, we're going to be Unknown Speaker 1:22:12 carrying on because bisexual Unknown Speaker 1:22:16 people can be bisexual, heterosexual, whatever they prefer, but people are not seen as male or female in our sense. So when Connie Christine was antsy her drive from our pocket she thinks that he's a man you think that for a long period of time so they will take away from you Unknown Speaker 1:22:38 and then when you go to modify it to find places Unknown Speaker 1:22:42 to come apart Unknown Speaker 1:22:47 and so the agenda was submitted Winston's one Unknown Speaker 1:22:56 in which individuals are neither male nor female, but various times of the year the individual become capable of carrying a child so they are getting back to the original celebrating Unknown Speaker 1:23:19 what it is there Unknown Speaker 1:23:24 Yeah, new holiday. Unknown Speaker 1:23:26 Again no ever ceremonies I'm trying to think how often they occur but they are not individual life cycle. They're comfortable commemoration from the foundations of the direction to go Unknown Speaker 1:23:46 obviously Unknown Speaker 1:23:52 well, in some sense, it Unknown Speaker 1:23:53 clearly is because she sent me a copy. Fortunately, she's no longer worried about genetic experimentation, for example, on different races. That's another thing that's happened to me because the Unknown Speaker 1:24:03 races are Polish. They're separate. Unknown Speaker 1:24:05 They're merged Unknown Speaker 1:24:09 black blue on Unknown Speaker 1:24:10 red here. People who watch this she said she prayed by engaging culture Unknown Speaker 1:24:16 forever. Unknown Speaker 1:24:17 Now let me take it one step further because she's moving out into Unknown Speaker 1:24:22 a genetic experimentation is taking place between future plans. Unknown Speaker 1:24:27 And she is being protected and cannabis is Unknown Speaker 1:24:32 such a fascinating part of the terminal stages of consciousness. Unknown Speaker 1:24:38 And I think she was really telling us about evolution and can appeal to a weapon that I've come to see many cases because the attendee find the evolutionary model for developing the revenue model Unknown Speaker 1:25:00 This question she expands it in every way not only are we up there face to deal with millennials Unknown Speaker 1:25:09 so the evolution is Unknown Speaker 1:25:10 going on it's one of illusions of the universe is going on over millions of years. So every little Unknown Speaker 1:25:17 step is very close with Unknown Speaker 1:25:19 me but there's some hope that there's a positive Unknown Speaker 1:25:21 change Unknown Speaker 1:25:24 Okay, I got stuck in breaking into bars Unknown Speaker 1:25:27 and I really liked the image I love a very Yes. But at the same time, I am aware that I am an individual who is part of a culture and my partner's an individual comes from a different culture we are very clear that we do not want that to die if we want to have them together okay, that's where I'm Unknown Speaker 1:25:55 at she she says we've broken the bond between genes and culture of NASA has done away with cultures so that every small community has its own culture Unknown Speaker 1:26:04 modeled on something negative cultures Unknown Speaker 1:26:08 and preserves those cultural identities Unknown Speaker 1:26:11 but it's just Unknown Speaker 1:26:12 the genetic association the cultural identity of God and there's no sense of hierarchy but one culture is better than the present the difference in variety Unknown Speaker 1:26:25 for it was a hierarchy to appreciate Unknown Speaker 1:26:37 the things in our house away instead of very difficult for us to be able to really preserve and enjoy his or her culture polls and to be treated really equally in society because of the way he or she quote Unknown Speaker 1:26:54 because there's an American movie Unknown Speaker 1:26:56 alone I don't think the problem is as bad as genetics but just people's inability to do it works yeah so that's how you guys Unknown Speaker 1:27:18 yeah Unknown Speaker 1:27:21 I think that's the paradigm I'm Unknown Speaker 1:27:22 not sure I agree with the paradigm is that if if there is no Unknown Speaker 1:27:28 regulator looking the wrong way to look at each other Unknown Speaker 1:27:31 if orange hair is not better than green hair Unknown Speaker 1:27:34 and like that that was Unknown Speaker 1:27:39 that was the only kind of Unknown Speaker 1:27:42 bias but it's not that you're right I know by Unknown Speaker 1:27:59 breaking down barriers doesn't seem like everybody is saying I have a copy but it may not recognize the message that everybody uses Unknown Speaker 1:28:05 and that's why people download it got it we just went through the biological war Unknown Speaker 1:28:24 but I can go on to do you have a certificate because he had been looking and I realized we were taught to celebrate diversity culture and to to Unknown Speaker 1:28:51 separate women out and felt Unknown Speaker 1:28:53 helpless. Warren Unknown Speaker 1:29:08 is not just the government as well hour on Unknown Speaker 1:29:15 market for direct message number four, all of these important to remember or not yes. Although background to that point, it is worth it. You do not have to bite the bullet Unknown Speaker 1:29:39 on the wall or going on Unknown Speaker 1:29:43 for anyone talking about that. So you Unknown Speaker 1:29:47 still need to discern the one who has these four years on data war already existed Since Unknown Speaker 1:30:03 all the women are great on them and we added our best Unknown Speaker 1:30:14 records to the wonderful fortune boy that is unbelievable yeah all about what do you do Unknown Speaker 1:30:35 like what the question was Unknown Speaker 1:30:39 yeah Unknown Speaker 1:30:39 yeah Unknown Speaker 1:30:43 evolutionary model though I really wasn't meaning that in terms of no fun. I was thinking of it more in terms of flow evolution for the better state. Unknown Speaker 1:30:55 Found it might mean that some work Unknown Speaker 1:30:57 along the way Yeah, human at all. It was an evolutionary Unknown Speaker 1:31:02 process. There's more than going on weapons