Unknown Speaker 00:00 We're going to start our summary, wrap up session. Before I do that, Unknown Speaker 00:07 I have a statement Unknown Speaker 00:09 and an announcement. First of all, I have a scholar and a feminist compensated the future of difference, I have to IBC in an Alice judging event production will be published in September of 1980, by GK home company of both people who attend today's conference will receive publicity flyers in spring, June probably will also be another volume is actually table theory, based on the tables are given at this conference. And how many of you have what isn't controlled or what happened last year's conference and to give you a chance to go over that material again, and continue that dialogue. And hopefully next year, we can continue, continue. We open this session. I think that I'd like to thank very much. The committee that worked on this conference, and particularly conference coordinators, James, James, and to see again, for this point, one they have the name of modesty themselves Unknown Speaker 01:34 are the people in logic that we didn't have to use today and I want to call your attention to James particular devotion to the Women's Center of Excellence in support of the feminist community. And the Academic Coordinator, the conference, if you ever want to do a conference, that jangle to stand behind you and support you, and contribute with her knowledge and her energy, it'll be a great Unknown Speaker 02:03 experience. Unknown Speaker 02:12 Know what to introduce the people who are going on a week the first one of the very big people who are gonna wrap up this session is a real project to integrate cake thinking. Unknown Speaker 02:35 The right people to follow me and follow conferences, together with all the phone calls, and concede the conference so it's very appropriate that she should be finishing this conference in the last year. Kate has gone on to be a professor of literature at Douglas College, University. She is also the editor of that excellent Women's Studies publication signs, and she tells us she's very well equipped to do this job because when she was a kid, to sort of summarize into when she was a kid, she was an avid reader of the Reader's Digest. Unknown Speaker 03:23 Before oversimplification, a couple of announcements. Leave your goggle nerds a message for you in the Women's Center. until I'm ready to sell the nameless I insult you with my lips pronunciation. Carol GJPL FBI K Did you please hold hold for the possible Unknown Speaker 03:51 as a long time, though vanity read through the Barnard I know very well the approach because difficulties of this place. But our purpose today is is perhaps as difficult as speaking in the boiler gymnasium. Our job in the next few minutes is hardly enviable. And I think Diane and I are probably standing up here is living embodiment of female masochism. So what we're going to try to do is to summarize some of the insights of today, particularly of the workshop is all of you can only go home. Our task is heard, because what we've taken on today is to consciously discuss different proposed differences. And the trouble is the more we see the more they are, that we start with only differences of race and class and sexuality. Then we looked at in religion temperament in history, but again to study different is to studying cloning and division. We constantly to have several codes today, several modes of discourse. The presentations have ranged from fantasy to footnote, not only has a comprehensive historical reference to the sounds of academic soil as well, and finally we are heating and he was not shrink from what we've done with the most difficult of material, both political and psychological. I understand that the workshop on a talked about the tension between mothers and daughters, that we are dealing with material because it's been taboo, not only for structural reasons, but because it's just too hard. So I think we ought to congratulate ourselves, for the most part we have had honesty and humor. And I think we've avoided something else, we have avoided making for the most part hierarchies of difference, we have recognized it without ranking them in order of deprivation, we have not been disappointed, more deprived, excuse couples more for the most part, we have done that most complex the postmodern have to recognize different and not to race in a bad fashion for the next few minutes or procedure will be simple. Unknown Speaker 06:16 Diane will summarize the workshop she thought she had a an idea. And that summary will take 10 to 12 minutes Unknown Speaker 06:32 it a try for another 10 to 12 minutes. You may ask how we did this without miraculous powers of transportation. Well, those of you who saw Diana, I was walking out of your workshop, we weren't being rude. We were just going on to the next we tried to visit all workshops the more important in each workshop as you know how to recorder and each because it came running over here against brilliant to think summaries of what has happened the bone has summarized Unknown Speaker 07:04 then Diane will facilitate having an open mic session in this lab till about 445 to 445 I will reveal who is safe and well. Those who wish to go upstairs to the cars you can go to the party. Those who wish to continue the discussion to continue this session upstairs are here but our agenda 10 minutes 10 minutes, the rest of the time to 445 Unknown Speaker 07:33 and a momentary break name is Diane here I poured I must be crazy to Unknown Speaker 07:46 try to do this. You can't hear me. My name is Diane Herrick Ward. I'm a Unknown Speaker 07:53 sociology Grad Student database in New York at Stony Brook. This is a this summary Unknown Speaker 08:00 does not sound like your webshop just bear with me because I'm going some type of order. The first one I'm going to summarize is different domination and community in the women's movement. This is natural hardpack workshop Unknown Speaker 08:21 to say three things Unknown Speaker 08:22 at least three things Unknown Speaker 08:24 in the beginning we had ignored our differences. Unknown Speaker 08:25 The next day with movement we became separate now instead what we should try to find on how we can incorporate our differences how we can go from being a separate to Unknown Speaker 08:44 a group of women together. One thing Unknown Speaker 08:49 before shot was about strategy based on our history. When we get to the point where we're going to have a revolutionary when we want to go from our encapsulates women's movement to a movement that attack has transformed the whole society we should try to figure out how we can make our leaders accountable. I think that's one of the primary things that came out of workshop as we go from having a leader of movement to a movement that has leaders that who are accountable to Unknown Speaker 09:25 those of you that were Unknown Speaker 09:26 there in the open mic if this is not correct you can correct me the next workshop was grilling and and Marvel because this was a Unknown Speaker 09:39 media workshop Blondo coming was discussing through bands and idol visual leg movement. Unknown Speaker 09:48 Hi good to have your period. How it feels to to wake up and say I feel strange. I feel blah And then I feel like the world is falling apart. Why am I crying? And to how having a period a period affects your whole daily Unknown Speaker 10:10 life for weeks? Unknown Speaker 10:13 One of the things that was useful about this is that this putting them very elemental. Wait, what are some of our commonalities are, most of us have, will have, or our period. And this is what we can talk about. We can talk about race, or we can talk about class, and we can talk about it. And then we can talk about moving right along. Unknown Speaker 10:48 The next one was class Unknown Speaker 10:49 and race issues and women's studies, one of our friends foreign power, who have made a great contribution to women's wellness, and I'm here with George, a person who teaches at west where I discussed what goes into having a Women's Studies program. Unknown Speaker 11:12 When Women's Studies Group again, Unknown Speaker 11:13 there's an attitude against having women's studies, why must you put women outside the framework of every other study? You know, why do we need them Studies Department? After we got past that there was an ignorance on behalf of the people we're teaching it? What kind of thing should we teach? And finally, there was no information to teach. So we move quickly through all those problems. You've got all those? We've figured those out. Now we're trying to figure out Unknown Speaker 11:45 who should be doing the teaching? Unknown Speaker 11:47 And who should be in the classes going to be teaching black women? Or should they keep teaching white women? What should be going on? How are we going to make this a Women's Studies program that really is a women's studies program, Unknown Speaker 12:05 as how George to answer Unknown Speaker 12:06 that question said, Well, as a Hispanic woman, she felt that there should be a realization that for Hispanic women is not feminism, opposed to racism, as opposed to the language problem, all these things are important for Hispanic women. And these should be taught in totality not taken, pulled apart, making a hierarchy of oppression for for Spanish women. There should be in depth subgroup analysis, I suppose she would argue that it makes no difference who teaches the course? Yes, the person is has the proper conceptual framework. Next time I went to catch, the next one I went to was a sexual empowerment, define the erotic from our own personal experience. And that's very difficult for me to talk about. Because I think we came away feeling that we had difficulty talking about Commonalty as women because we hadn't really gotten in touch with our own bodies in a way that made us feel like women. A lot of our sexuality had been related, had been in relational sexuality and had been a sexual sexuality that socialized on us. And it's very difficult to talk about our sense of commonality when we don't have a sense of what our bodies are like. So one of the things that happened in this workshop, we attempted to get in touch with our genitals. Not masticatory of touch, but just sitting in the room and getting in touch with our genitals in a way that possibly we don't do it as we sit around and walk around every day. That seems strange, but it's not at all strange. It was a very, it was a very, it was very basic and elemental thing to do is similar to the to the types of things that went on in the dance workshop. I have two more to go. Women and the church two studies. This is fascinating. I wish I had half an hour to tell you about this. Evan Brooks Barnett talks about black and white women in the Baptist Church between 1870 and 1900. It seems that these women were concerned about In the world church, their role in the church as as people unable to preach, unable to do the sacraments of the church so, so these women united, and they were able to, to launch a crusade to change the church. Another different slant on this issue was women activists and radical sexist 17th century this was another person in the workshop. This was Phyllis mad. She said that these women in the radical sex did not engage in political action in the church, they engaged in spiritual action, which meant that they assumed their femininity during a, a pipeline to God, because they were intuitive, because they were women, because they were debase preachers, somehow they talked to God in a way that men did talk to God. So in this workshop, we had two contrasting approaches to how women dealt dealt with religion. One group dealt with a politically, another group dealt with experientially see, if I missed one, I'm sorry, I did tell you about the feminist movement against against prostitution and pornography and male bias. Let me say that this was one of the most provocative and controversial workshops, do the wall cops made the point that once women start marching against pornography, it becomes something that gets into the hands of the state. And at that point, you don't know whether or not you're going to be what's going to happen, becomes a moral crusade to state and turn us us against a US against women. And that the sense of moral outrage is not a social organization. It's a very dangerous type of Unknown Speaker 17:06 crusade engaging, that this happened has happened before. When women have started having these moral crusade they possibly happen again. In the current Women Against pornography, movement, politics, rage is not a good political tool is the one that unifies this gifts, according to her to stay a chance to use something against us. On the surface, that seems like an extraordinary unifying approach but need not be. And that if we're going to talk about pornography has to be talked about in terms of the male rate, male lust has to be talked about in terms of the largest social problems. All right, the last one was feminism and the new right. Jan Rosenberg said that she felt that the women's movement had been missed. We had, in our rush to, to deny the reality of the nuclear family and it's important, we had left the woman who is a working woman, maybe the minority woman whose family is very important to her, we left we left them in the cold. And instead of the old, old stereotype, we now have the new stereotype, a woman who goes out and gets a professional job beats her chest, about how she is is a liberated woman. And we have left certain women behind. So what's happened, the new rights has come in and taking these women and really taking them not literally we're taking their emotions and their ideas. And that's dangerous to the women's movement around the column said, Oh, no, that's not what's happening. What really is happening is the women's movement has been so successful, that women are no longer being slaves, they're going out into the workforce is the new right is responding to us in a way that they are innovative man that they are because they are anxious that this person, the women's woman has been successful. And then in the past, we have possibly possibly been anti family to some, but that's not the thrust of the women's movement. The participants in the workshop said we don't care what the new rat is doing. We are still going to get our abortions that we need them we're still gonna go to work and we'll be damned if we're going back into the house. Unknown Speaker 20:00 Well, you're about to see difference in action, my 10 minutes are going to adopt a different summary strategy than Diane's. What I'm going to try to do is give a sense of the common themes. And the common ideas seem to run through very different workshops. One common theme seems to be a sense of the presence of absence, a sense of regret that what we could not do or had not done. The workshop, for example, in the black and Hispanic college was terrific, if only we'd had more materials such as that presented there. And one thing to another thing that seemed to be missing, we have to be far more conscious of International Women of third world countries. This was addressed in the modernization and accumulation workshop. But I think it would be a pity, if in our attempt to discover national differences, we forgot profound international differences, and the political revolution that is embodied in such concepts as the new economic order. Other ideas seem to be shared with those of bad presences, there was a good deal of suspicion of certain receive texts. And a reminder, one of the truths of the new scholarship about women in women's studies, is even if it's in print, don't trust it. In fact, if it is in print, you probably shouldn't trust it. So the workshop about sexual politics and the Afro American feminism, Michele Wallace was much publicized book received stringent criticism on a number of grounds. And in the workshop on modernization or accumulation. Estar. Bostrom was also criticized, the less severely, there was a sense of a need to as we were skeptical to extend even further than even deeper the analytic categories. We have been using a race and class and steps, that we must not only add consciousness, but deepen our consciousness of those categories that we have brought together today. So we're not abroad and fall in her workshop, talking about class reminded us again, of the differences between the upper class and the working class woman, she was talking about male dependency, and she said, the upper class woman is dependent for privilege, the working class woman for survival. And when this cloak was brought together in our recorders group, the recorder of one of the workshops on black women said, and Margaret sharp might have said, and the black woman is not dependent at all. This leads us to a search, of course, to use Bonnie ill phrase for particularities for the particularities of our life. But again, and again to remind you was that we must not permit the particular to become the excessively personal that our lives are shaped by structural and large scale social factors. And we must not repeat the old mistake of reducing historical causality to psychology, and human action to about her nerd personality. This is not to repeat the old mistake that robota Braden warned us against. I've seen women as powerful. We must continue in this, I think was another theme of the workshop to see women as active agents, as creatures whose self perceptions are not the disease, the truth, but that assumption of character, that feminization of humanism does not mean that we should reduce history, as I said, to a matter of personality and moral culpability to the self. Unknown Speaker 23:39 There was to a strong sense that as we establish the particularities of our experience, our identity, our group identity, whether we see in terms of class, or race, or sex, let's be very solid. Before any coalition's can be brought about, that we must have a stable sense of community before we can make coalitions with other communities. But that sense of community seems to be expressed in very different ways. There was a radical difference between the sense of community in the workshops having to do with the black experience in those having to do with a lesbian experience. And I don't know if it's anonymous today, or a general truth, that the description of the lesbian experience and the forms in which that description took were singular, and had less in common than the analysis of race and class. There was a sense to that after identity within a small community have been stabilized, if it had once been devalued, it must be trans value. So the housework the housework workshop, reminding us that housework could be perfectly good if you got paid enough for doing that. And if there was any analytic scheme that linked these various perceptions his insights and ideas, the Bible were one of the things that appeared again and again, it's called very different people think if they're Marxists. And the difference and the difference that we did not address but has been addressed in the past, with the difference between feminist scholars who are consciously Marxist, and those who have only unconsciously absorbed some of that. And I think that this is, there is no one you cannot be a theoretician and not know Marxist thought. I mean, it's just impossible. But there is a very real difference between those who self consciously use, and those who have in a haphazard fashion. And the perceptions of reality are dissimilar. And this is something that we need to address. But if there were a common analytic scheme, it is probably a good Marxism, expressed in such essays as John Kelly's the double vision of feminist theory, which is the need always to look at experience in terms of production and reproduction and its larger sense, to take Rosby chesties term to look at labor and fertility and never to forget, the fertility is also a form of labor. Unknown Speaker 26:16 There were a few strategies Unknown Speaker 26:16 of coalition, then there were a stabilization of difference. But if there were any strategies for coalition, they were these one was perhaps particularly appropriate for a conference in an academic setting, the title of which is the scholar and the feminist be called again and again for clarification of consciousness. And as happened in the housewife work or the housework workshop, I suppose it's no accident that I just been allied and housework and housewife, but a clarification not only of consciousness of difference, but if we are to have contracts between different groups, that they must be very clear an end to in other words, all the workshops seem to be calling for an end to conceptual models and for the strategic errors that this engenders, it was in a sense a very real tribute to the power of the mind. And there was also a sense that in the experiences that many of us even during there can be modeled that others of us can use. For example, The Black and Hispanic family workshop suggested and I think correctly, that in the black extended families, there is a model of strength and of workability this does not mean that we should appropriate the experience of others it does mean that we should do what colleges and universities are meant to do that our experiences should be profoundly educational Thank you Unknown Speaker 28:03 finally going to turn a chance to speak if you would just approach the microphones and we're going to order this one yes No. You want to run over there Unknown Speaker 29:29 what is this one on? Okay. I'd like to read briefly a letter that came in the mail from a Women's Studies Center in Rome. They this is connected with women's studies here. We're all part of one world of women as the some of the time and this is our center of Women's Studies has started a source In reference library for the advancement of women's studies in Italy, as a little background, we are at the moment at a crucial point for our work. Especially with trouble now with finances, there's nothing to do for money Don't get nervous. This is why we began to ask directly all the women making researches to help us by sending their publications and telling other women we can contact to the same purpose. This is why we're writing to you. And this is why I'm really reading this to you. We need the cooperative contribution of all the women who have been written about or who have done research on women we read we would be very grateful if you could send us a free copy of the articles and or books you have written. And what I'm asking you to do, I won't read the address because I think it'll get mangled by my lack of Italian language. But I would like to get this reprinted in the history bulletins in the MLS bulletins or any others that can be suggested, so that you can have the address available and send whatever you have that you would like to contribute in the way of written materials. One of the it's called Central Stu dstu di done a woman fun. That's all one woman's thumb. Oh 185 Roma, the VR lab dia le road, I guess. And Jellico Viola and Jellico 301. I read those numbers a second time if you like. Well, my only copy Kelly. Oh 185 Roma, viola, and Jellico 301 that I tried to get this published in a few places. Besides, we'll make a copy of Unknown Speaker 32:11 it as a Barnard one essential habit. And if anybody wants to call Jay, they call find out the address. Hello, Unknown Speaker 32:20 I would like to have something clarified in the lesbian conference. Unknown Speaker 32:25 Did I hear that the Unknown Speaker 32:25 lesbian women had less community? Did I hear correctly? Unknown Speaker 32:32 Is that a question Unknown Speaker 32:33 to me? Is it your question to the person who talked about the lesbian conference about the community, the lesbian community yet less than common? I'm not sure that I heard correctly. I'd like to clarify Unknown Speaker 32:46 what I said this, this on the basis of reports from the workshop and my own experience of them. That the experience of the three things we were looking at the three sources of difference, race and class and lesbianism or sexuality. Something seemed very different today, as it was expressed about the lesbian experience, you could see commonalities between the descriptions of race and class, although they were different. But there was something about the lesbian experience as it was described today. That fit viewer common categories and the other two, Unknown Speaker 33:27 I thought that's your definition on it. First of all, like I finished really young, Unknown Speaker 33:31 I did not say there was a less or sense of community. By no means I was not making comparisons about the sense of community among women according to class lines, among lesbians or among minority women. I was not seeing that. I was saying what seemed to emerge and release much further clarification was that there was something very different about the lesbian experience as it was manifested today in the various workshops. Unknown Speaker 34:01 I understand there was only one one workshop. There's only one workshop that said lesbian community others were run by lesbian women, but there was not there was only one lesbian conference, and other things. I would like to know why the word colonisation was not allowed. Why the lesbian group was foretold not to use that word. The word was okay for the black women. It was okay for the sign if it was not okay for the lesbian women. I'd like to know why. Unknown Speaker 34:36 Jane, would you like to answer that question? Which triangle? It is not that I don't want to take responsibility, but I think that James is the one who made that decision. Unknown Speaker 34:50 I don't think that I could probably give you a satisfactory answer, but it was the judgment of a number of us on the planning committee and was consulted with a number of Have people who cared very much about presenting the lesbian perspective in the most positive way that this would not be the bulk, the best title for this particular workshop, it was done, shall I say in an attempt to to to, to be positive? Unknown Speaker 35:28 I would also like to say something I'm being one of the people on the planning committee. That wasn't that that word was not allowed. What happened was that title was submitted as a as a title. There was a discussion, as Jane pointed out amongst Planning Committee, people who had some difficulty understanding what it meant, it seemed ambiguous to some people, not to everybody, some people thought it was wonderful. I would also like to add that this was not the only workshop in which that was done. There were other workshops in which the planning committee said I don't understand what that was. That means I may long distance phone calls, talking to workshop leaders saying, Could you clarify could you change by no means was the lesbian Herstory. Archive said, unless you change you have to you can't participate in the conference. And it was also said that this would be discussed at the conference in the workshop. I said, fine. I don't want to censor anybody. That's wonderful. This is our problem. We've worked collectively as Do you. And let's see if we can work it out. Unknown Speaker 36:27 Can I say something? As early feminist we learned that we define who we are, it is not for women who are not lesbians define what the word colonization needs. And so as the word we chose to use, that was the word that should have been used. Again, we're having another case of not the patriarchy defining us. But we're having other women defining what lesbian women wish to use as a table, and I feel it very unfair. Unknown Speaker 36:58 Thank you for your comments next. Unknown Speaker 37:01 I originally wanted to make an announcement, which I'm going to do first, and then I'd like to say a little bit more about the sexual empowerment workshop. Part of of my vision of this conference that that I think a echoed was the phrase that Tony Horton Dale used was to collect our particularities. And one of the ways that those particularities get lost is in theory making. I'm working on a project separate from the one that I did the workshop on, which is lesbian historiography, how to define the issue of lesbianism in a new way so that when you're doing history, you don't get tangled up in all the defensive questions about what she or wasn't sure. And one of the things I want very much to do is to have different cultural contexts represented. I'm trying to do a panel for the National Women's Studies conference, and also for the burps for cure Women's History conference. And I'm very much looking for people who are not from the mainstream culture, who are lesbians who would be interested in talking or writing a paper on what are the signs of lesbianism in their culture houses? Say Latina lesbian recognize another Latina lesbian? What were her growing up experiences? How do they differ? How are they like other lesbians? If there are women who would be interested in working on their kind of on their project, I would very much like them to talk to me before this conference is over. I was trying to do as a matter of fact, a similar thing. And in the sexual empowerment workshop, I wanted to say, Does every woman feel that sexuality her sexuality is also dangerous? Where do we get that idea? How is it connected with our own context, our own cultural context, our race or economic situation, how we grow up, and because of the fact that the genitals are the place that women often feel afraid that we are taught to keep them protected? I did some experiential exercises, dealing with how we feel when they're protected and unprotected. But the main point was to try to get at the multiplicity of experiences that influence our sexuality. Unknown Speaker 39:37 One idea I was looking for at this conference, was the idea of the value of differences. And I have one brief example to illustrate this. I didn't want people to leave without wondering, what's the good of being so different? Since the fact we all are so different? If I had a dream, once in which I was propositioned by a fellow fellow named Eddie. I said I had a dream in which I was propositioned by a man named Eddie. And I was supposed to medium in room 25. And I dutifully went looking for room 25. Fortunately, I could only find room 2324. Room 2625 was great to listen. And then I ran into a heterosexual friend of mine, myself being lesbian. And I asked her if she knew we're routing 20 virus, and she says, Oh, you don't have to worry about that. I've already been there. And Edie. And for me, that meme is an illustration of one of the great services that heterosexual women. I really rather serious. It seems to me that I think most of us would agree that men need women very much. And that the fact that there are a lot of women who really care about them and want to deal with them in an erotic, intimate way, is extraordinarily important. And it breeds it makes possible my life and the life of many other lesbian women. Contrarily are on the other side, the lesbian women contribute much, I think, to the quality of life, for heterosexual women. In that we show that it is not necessary, in fact, to live to remain that, it seems to me in itself creates the existence of a model for an autonomous female, in a heterosexual relationship are also free to spend time building women's culture. Because of the great generosity of sexual Sufi breed, please. Thank you. Unknown Speaker 42:25 My name is Joanna Miller. And the last time I was here was in 1974. At the first conference, I was one of Florence house. Original Women's Studies students at at old Westbury, I study women, and labor since then. Since then, I've been working with district 1199, the National Union of hospital and health care, and I enjoy coming back here today, I felt that I came back here as a personal thing. But I just want to comment that I'm a little disappointed that there were so so few women here that represented working women, if you're black woman, to be not a scholar, and a feminist, you're not represented here. If you're a Hispanic woman, there's little representation here. But if you're not a scholar, and you're not a feminist, you're not here. And I think that if the women's movement is going to continue to grow, that it has to reach out to working women. And I hope that you'll do that in the future. The coalition of labor union women is working very hard. And I hope that perhaps some sort of alliance can be made between working women and women in academia. Thank you. Hello, first of all, I Unknown Speaker 43:51 like to apply in a way that this conference, I was here last year, that it's getting a little less rarefied, in what it's saying that I like to afford. What I would like to critique Unknown Speaker 44:05 is that Unknown Speaker 44:07 I think women are perhaps the women that are, for the most part in this room, who are probably college educated in professions are perhaps getting a little too comfortable that the doors are beginning to open for us. But for a lot of women, they're not being open. There's a lot of women that are still inarticulate, that are still blind, that are still don't realize there are tools out there to be used. And I think it's very important that these women be reached. These are the working women. I would like to employ having Carolyn read here, because in a way, five or six years ago, she would not be in a conference like this, because what it's it's an anachronism, it's an Atrazine. And I don't think that the worst problems with the working women were addressed with the beginning to be addressed with not thinking we're not enough. Now, there are a whole group of women out there that they need a Brian's and fellowship athletes are beginning to reach, because what they are saying is traditional and safe, and they can relate to it. And I think what needs to be done is to reach those women. I just like Unknown Speaker 45:29 to share something that I think that you overlooked when you talked about what Professor Ford has said, I'm sure overlooked a lot. Unknown Speaker 45:40 Please, it was not purposeful if you felt you had to do it just 15 minutes. Unknown Speaker 45:45 I think that you kind of use the euphemism that many women use when they deal with Latinas. And that is being Spanish we are not Spanish we are not Hispanic we are just think you should. That is something that we can I'm including myself amongst other Hispanic women of different cultural groups and different orientation. Oranges endorsing beware that the 1980s is not the decade of the Hispanics or Latinos or Chicago or whatever you want to call it. It is the decade of people, women and men, and that I do not endorse at all, any kind of how do you call it being put on the same parallel or catching up with making in particular black women think that their presence is any less important because finally Latino people are getting what is due them? Because we have also contributed to the well being and the Unknown Speaker 46:53 structure? That is Unknown Speaker 46:55 my answer, because I don't want any misunderstanding. You can say beware of that. Unknown Speaker 47:00 Because there's going to be a lot of Unknown Speaker 47:04 racism emanating from Whites and Blacks towards Hispanics, if we don't realize what's been done, particularly because of the census for finally graduating out of college isn't that a means anything? Because now a degree because we have it isn't anything anymore. Now you need a PhD to graduate school doesn't mean anything either. So catching up, it's gonna be a lifetime. Unknown Speaker 47:27 Thank you for the clarification. Unknown Speaker 47:34 I'm from the Washington, area and DC, right, right. I'm from Washington, DC and DC rape crisis center. And what we're organizing is a third world women environment conference is going to be sponsored in August, August 21 22nd. And 23rd. What I'm going to do is taking leave our flyers and the woman center. And I hope that you pick them up. And I also hope that we're in the process of trying to build a mailing list. And then if you have some names that makes people organizations, and if you'd like some information, you can see me in the back or the better Ross's he or she says that it has the the beads all over him like a cat. And if you gave us that information, you really appreciate it. Thank you Unknown Speaker 48:21 I had one, what I hope is constructive criticism about this morning's panel, which I thought it was dumb, but then I thought throughout the whole day, so I wanted to bring it up in front of everybody. The first two speakers, particularly, and to some extent, the third, although she didn't do it quite as much referred to women. And they throughout the whole first two speeches. And I think the first step, the exam that was given of the straight woman who claimed her lesbianism was fantastic. But before people are able to do that, we've got to be able to first affirm that we're women, and stop calling women vague in, in our everyday life and in academic studies. I feel like that's something very basic that everybody who calls herself a feminist knows by now, but throughout the day, I'm seeing that that isn't true. So like people need to think about Unknown Speaker 49:24 what I'm interested in raising to the conference, and to all of us here and I realized that there are a lot of divisions and alliances to be overcome in real life and consciousness is still expanding and growing. But I was very frightened. Each time I go to something new sterilization of youth each time I go to something about the growing power, Sunday, visibility Unknown Speaker 49:52 of the right women Unknown Speaker 49:54 in America and the right to life movement. It frightens me and what I want to know as well, where's our strategy? Went? How are we going to deal with these women, they are not being taken seriously. And they are a threat to each and every one of us. Because everything, even if we haven't gained everything that we've wanted as women, and we haven't. But what we have now to be so easily wiped away with this whole human life amendment, they call a constitutional convention. I'm frightened that what the outcome could be. And I hope people go away from this conference asking, how can we combat not only our own personal issues that we have, but the whole fact that we might, we might be totally disavow very quickly and very powerfully, and I hope everyone goes home very, very seriously threatened in that way. I was really hoping Unknown Speaker 50:59 that this was one conference that I could come to and not have to come to the microphone. But after having gotten a backhanded sort of, I don't know why. It's sort of disturbs me. And it says, having people like Carol agree. And she's so to talk about articulation. And I really would like to say that there are people like me who have our PhDs in common sense. And I think that. Unknown Speaker 51:38 feminine, that we really have to think about how we speak to each other and about each other. And I think that people said it before me that people can define themselves. And since a lot of the people that I work with, are not here, I would like to say that they are very articulate, and they can articulate, and you could possibly learn something. Unknown Speaker 52:08 Say that with a sense that I think sometimes we get so full of ourselves, and about our education and about where we are that we forget the basic things in life and since I was referred to and you know, and I'm sure that the sister meant it in a positive way, but I want her to know that it did not come out to me as being very positive. Unknown Speaker 52:42 My name is Catherine Frankie, I work with woman's collage Theatre, which is a feminist theatre group that gave a workshop in this afternoon. Apparently, Diane neglected to mention what we did in our workshop. So I just thought I would briefly state what happened there. I think the most important thing that happened to our workshop, we gave women an opportunity to talk about their intimate feelings, issues of class, race and sexual preference. And we asked them to, in question form, say their feelings about these issues. Just briefly, I think, as far as class was concerned, the major point was that women were sort of confused about what class is, how it affected them. You know, how, what kind of plant families because of the job that I have, or what about sexual preference? There was also a little bit of confusion, what do the labels really mean? What is my sexual preference? Why is this my sexual preference? Is it is this natural? Is this something I was conditioned to? As far as race was concerned? I think that women were very saddened and there was a lot of guilt. But a real commitment to trying to work through these differences. It was a special space I think it was probably very different from most of the workshops it was an opportunity for women to be very intimate and vulnerable with each other I think everyone enjoyed it. I just wanted to please a few My Unknown Speaker 54:09 My name is Christy comedy airy. I'm from Jersey City, New Jersey. I am very active with the Hudson County Chapter National Organization for Women and the Parents Council of James F. Mary school in Jersey City. I made a conscious effort when I came here today to pick something out for me, a nurturing workshop. And that was number 10, making connections, a workshop and movement and increments improvisation. I did that. And I am very pleased that I did make that choice. What the young lady before me said is quite true. Quite often when he for me and when working in a women's movement. I sit I lobby. I work with demonstrate. But there are times when I want to sit down and humanize and make personal emotional contact with women. And this workshop gave it to me. I would like To say that the questions of race of sexual preference and class, we had to ask questions stand up and three of the time, quite vulnerable, and ask questions. I haven't done that. In about 10 years, I needed that. I learned from it. I want to make one other recommendations are going to have a play tonight, sirens, tonight and tomorrow. If you want to nurture yourself, give yourself something for tonight or tomorrow, invest in silence. Unknown Speaker 55:42 Please be brief, because we have to go have a drink. Unknown Speaker 55:49 My name is Blondell Cummings. I'm a dancer, choreographer, and artistic director of the cycle Arts Foundation. I'm working on a project that deals with friendships, especially between women, I would like very much to collect any poems, or any letters between people. For my project, it will be a mixed media piece. That should happen. Sometime in the summer, I will be in the back. So if you're interested, please be in contact with me. And thank you. You have a wonderful position, Unknown Speaker 56:23 you're the last person to speak. Everyone will remember what to say. Unknown Speaker 56:33 Like asked me to follow Carolyn Reed with something snappy, which I can't do. I know many of you really do want to go to that drink, like, die. And so I'll try and make it brief I, I would just like to address however, what was said by the woman who was wondering about the ideas that we were going to have for fighting against repression. And again, I would like to say that that's something I think that should concern us all, as she said, it's something that we're all facing. But I think that it's very important to remember, we don't really have that many women as enemies, it's not as acquaintances, that's probably not clear. And so you can ask me after I have a drink. But I would like to say in trying to develop strategies that it's really important to go to the past, again, the recent past 10 years ago, whatever to look at the theories that have been written to look at the ideas that have already been expressed. I guess anyone who was at the Simone de Beauvoir conference heard me say basically the same thing that it's really something that we do repeat the wheel all the time. We can't do that there are all sorts of people like probably a bunch more alive and kicking, who are here who can tell you everything they wrote or whatever, who can tell you all sorts of sources, we can go to ourselves, but it's important to know that passage, look for strategies there. Because it's very important for us not to repeat that path and it's facing us again, that's all. Think it's Unknown Speaker 58:07 a marvelous comment to end on, but I wish to correct myself. The reception is not upstairs. As I said, it is in the lower level of Macintosh where we had lunch. And before we go to where we had lunch, may I end this with the last line of an ad free and vegetable that matters for us? I think whether we're scholars or activists and I don't see a contradiction in terms, no matter what, or race or class or sexuality, it simply when she wrote, we are working for the relief of the body and the reconstruction of the mind.