Unknown Speaker 00:00 In practice most of her board about compound and we can divide into half 1000 you know kind of standard voting board and then choose a topic about color particularly in tech but what are these little problems inside get organized and I will I will talk topic headings are three things one is depending again what is the second one was there are many very important part what was your what will be I want to touch on Unknown Speaker 01:02 very briefly Unknown Speaker 01:05 but that does not mean that I'm allowed to leave something and then from here we will see what you like to end with open it Unknown Speaker 01:19 up so, let me begin by testing it that Unknown Speaker 01:30 I have to find out that the Columbia Unknown Speaker 01:46 Center last year college Unknown Speaker 01:52 back when he was back home with I'm Lexi Oban and I'm a foreigner and a blogger for products I'm your I'm Director political play the National Congress in New York and work for a very sober Unknown Speaker 03:04 let me begin what do I need like what Aquafina left by saying wow, they didn't do it, did you? She didn't do either. And they basically said someone finds that it's less than a month later than me Yeah. But you understand the demographic of women voting on issues and having different priorities they're just not looking at it Unknown Speaker 03:53 so there's this first Unknown Speaker 03:58 model Reagan won by a landslide it's very popular the pianist story but given his popularity if you think that make the Democrats have had a healthy life and if you look at the quality data, you will find four basic liberal. Right? Can people identify with 142121 loving and caring for iOS? And finally, thank you very much. And then we're going on a normal case. To only men who Unknown Speaker 04:58 voted No that's really not Sunday night to Chicago but again we must mark that there really is something to this gender gap that was not met maybe NASA Lupo there wasn't that Unknown Speaker 05:29 gap ups and gap for an agency has that gap gap the next the next level but it really shows up at the local state level moreover if you read the voting or extensive manual for Democratic women voters want to talk about the women's vote right now Unknown Speaker 06:07 the Republican side of Unknown Speaker 06:13 me am a very different than that when you ask men for their time but for men becoming women the claim that there really is much more than heavy lifting If on the other major changes Unknown Speaker 06:44 in Unknown Speaker 06:48 the nominations okay. Well Ray Moon has held the debate now and Fairfield one was covered because adults have the opportunity to get on the contract as to the handout go out how you deal with people accepting when you look at survey data on variable should be getting down the road to the government and the possibility of employment the men are all the way down there look those women are in a kind of moderate position they've moved from being very much closer to the middle position but still now it's time they're consistently being placed on services men are further deeply seated next to severe limits on defense and even in need for campaign men want even more money than immunity they want to hold the line but equally important to emphasize that principle well definitions are given the second point is that people Walker doesn't really away from any kind of government provided in part because if the government can't do it safely and efficiently it's really not that Unknown Speaker 08:37 maybe it's should this is Unknown Speaker 08:38 a table that women really can't hold on to is the fundamental view of government and its autonomous your Unknown Speaker 08:46 people and maintain what I like gives me more time to talk with my friends but now Alright, so what's happened is it's the basis of stimulus status of candidates. Never candidates differentiate themselves on issues of social service delivery, on issues of women's rights, civil rights on Unknown Speaker 09:24 women are finding closer to Unknown Speaker 09:27 candidates and take more pride minifying candidates going to them in different groups, online, traditional black folk with us from the labor. Unknown Speaker 09:45 Women are not making Unknown Speaker 09:49 fun of them. It is Unknown Speaker 09:51 quite a collective. Unknown Speaker 09:57 When it is not the same thing What and therefore what the different groups of women implement. So that minority will start with the right environment, younger women are many things that are different, that are always Unknown Speaker 10:24 that focus. Unknown Speaker 10:28 Very hard to organize a cohesive way, Unknown Speaker 10:32 extracted apart, Unknown Speaker 10:33 because you can't just come out and bring all women over. Today very agenda. The next thing we're talking about a gentleman like myself, many times, I put that in, but I do think I really thought the two of you that what the women's vote is fundamentally that women take seriously that he was a candidate. Now, Nathan. Unfortunately, it was a risk avoidance man's approach to the program I nominate for this position. So I never in my life, have a woman Unknown Speaker 11:16 president. Unknown Speaker 11:18 You know, bottom line is that I think I never thought that a woman from the podium was talking about her ability to testify that the message was definitely not an appeal for not only women, both those who would they felt by getting their endorsements or the so called organized Unknown Speaker 11:46 population, Unknown Speaker 11:47 they would then be able to go out. And therefore PLAN strategy afterwards, nowadays, clearly aimed at mine, the ethnic way, and that that was hard to then address the week after not to do all these other side of things. Unknown Speaker 12:11 For the variety of Unknown Speaker 12:12 pain, while I think Unknown Speaker 12:17 I've been in a separate, one, which is in line with voice, that is talked about the issue for waste management. This is what women want to say, when I speak about this, and I bring in, that's what makes me want to compare her me to most people who has a very interesting meeting, to talk about anything you bring to a situation with the missing in all the projects. The second is the women's movement, really activity in the national organization became seen as basically a radical. And that made mistake or incorporated amendment to do what they did manage to, with the caucus has wanted to be an independent campaign for that, even though they endorsed this amazing campaign independent of the Democratic Party. And they criticize candidates, when they talk about their issues and the pressure on the women's movement, because it's so clearly identified with analysis. And didn't have an independent voice talking about why I'm supporting a candidate first, but not because the Democrats didn't like the fact that there were issues of a reproductive freedom and issues of civil rights that are being passed away by the apprentices, which means to reflect that in my community organizing, definitely now. That will happen here. If you need to ask others what you're lacking, that they will remain busy for local organizing, or have a big push to now start raising money that at the local level, to gain more control power to the trash because I didn't think Republicans had that many people to register. But it turns out that there were a lot of people to be registered, not all the minority areas that were and so the Republicans spent $7 reading, many people have to dress the voter registration drive. On the other side, whatever it is, was done by voluntary organizations and Democratic parties with almost no voting record after multiple deadlines, and you gave marginal returns on TV. I think that needs to be the For the National Party, local accounting, not because they knew how to win the constituency that they that they got. And that that would then mean that whatever happened with the national or with the local so that the question goes into much more political question is simply because the democratic failure is good news is that actual authors talk about the fact that it was major. And I think it's important. I sent a voluntary organization, way under funding, not many seminars or headlines, the Republican Party registered people are pretty impressive. But in addition to that, the initial reports were that women and blacks didn't turn out the Census Bureau reports. So namely, in turnout from Minority Report, and so that all that extra paid off the problem dealing with that to do left handed, I think people want the level monitor increase to dissipate how much time but the other thing that is that we learn not to laugh. And then next time, particularly all that smart because they always matter. I think it's normal to have fun, Unknown Speaker 16:51 that expression is relatively Unknown Speaker 16:53 new. You know, it's interesting, we finished it if it gets boring, you know, and 70% this campaign, boring. You know, the outcome of this campaign by July back into law is a big news story, maybe in all 50 states 46 going on. And so that people are fundamentally economic power become active and mobilized and engaged in progress activity, not exactly the right way to gain power or even for the ones that really find any results hold up the Unknown Speaker 17:38 framework interested in crisis and I discovered that in New York City to other countries Unknown Speaker 18:01 I got lost and crossed and ended up in that I really don't know we'll remain calm that way. And cane drive to st I ever get another country textual and that there is some allegorical symbolism here that can go with epsilon that felt to help and I was more apt when I Unknown Speaker 18:43 come back some years ago but my most recently in Washington, DC and both. Formally, I was executive director and also working with customers to record the opposite Jimmy Carter because that was a ton of books. After that, I decided to continue work to international competition in that capacity having said that, part of the good point was that I was doing in Washington, give me that context matters. And why in particular, were extraordinarily disadvantage. There began to be long before it happened to us Unknown Speaker 20:25 because we early recognized and began to organize the black community around issues. And I think that one of the observations that I had and I think one of the things that explains that those comments about why voter registration is removed from planting things, then is that people in the community, people that are concerned and emotive, which it isn't just a question of who the candidate is, what they stand for. And it is what they will do about the issues, which are most texted to me. So, the first thing I wanted to say is that issues are extremely important. And one of the things that happened to leadership after quite a while, and this is a document written for them with civil rights and creative people. And of course, Democrats do very much with this document, no commas after what they wish to have. But the point of the matter was that they got together and formed their position on the issue, but proposed specific solutions. And very hard to build a coalition around this. And I think if you look at the Jackson, whatever was good or bad, it was really efficient candidates. And I think the guy could be able to chime in. And if you look at the local configuration, what we found was that people actually transformed the basic core issues. Some of this particular situation, thereby laying the groundwork for the future, and capitulation. So issues really aren't. Let me say a couple of words about I guess, what, what I'm supposed to be talking about gender, politics as a kind of, in the black community. And it's, it's difficult, in a sense analytically to the clock about the situation in the right context, because there is a commonality of suffering in the black community, that is not true. And that is very different from what it is. That is true that white women are going to be all women have disadvantages. But those disadvantages are particularly for black adults. And they have to work to talk about gender coverage Unknown Speaker 23:21 is somewhat misleading. Unknown Speaker 23:23 Because the reality for that love, black family structure is increasingly coming. And we're talking about the nation talking black and other women of color people because we are disproportionately part of that component that is pushing the switches toward the concept of innovation. And in that guys, that lack of unique disadvantages, among the disadvantages. Having said that, an additional factor is what has happened to black men. Because since 1960, black men lost 13 percentage points in absolute labor force participation. And the dissolution of my family is in some respects, a direct consequence of this particular man in good times and bad you know, Reagan has made big production and economic recovery and I feel because me because in good times, Platinum is always about two and a half. And this one is overwritten in many, many and nationally up to five and enlightening three one other every week, like why would you want to save the most money What do you have all black men? And suddenly, all that stuff. But that is a situation. So it's very hard for some respect for black women because they are their sons and their husbands. The second thing to say is that where the administration has charted out policy initiatives, I think it's fair to say that those initiatives, those initiatives, point of view on black and white. In other words, if one, for example, talks about welfare reform and the welfare system, and you look at black families in poverty, then you can see the impact of it. But it's not just that if one talks about affirmative action, and one looks at the marginality of those who work for the negative, it's not only affect women who are in the workforce, and there's no question about that, I don't want to make it sound as if I'm trying to make you separation between and among women in terms of like, it becomes even more difficult. So that is another issue, we were talking about the difference between maintaining some position. And Unknown Speaker 27:02 the interesting thing about all of this, from my perspective, is that why consistently respond to the call for political involvement in much larger numbers than their counterparts. And in fact, in the 82, LP re election, black women who were registered, has the highest turnout among all groups who vote. Therefore, they become a very potent and active part of the electorate. And issue recognition is often the case. And that's an observation that is sometimes lost on strategy. Because as to the extent they don't have that women's issue, you can imagine how, what are the pinnacles, why communication because of the imperative. That is a discouraging phenomenon. And I have to tell you that black men are increasingly quite angry about the absolute abrogation of issues that our training programs have. I think that has certain formulations. Most plants in fact style. Like mine, it would be very much lacking involved in real Jimmy insofar as the reality, but that was great. I've always been one of the reasons why we've come to action in the universe today. That is also true in political activism. Part of the reason why the agenda is sometimes skewed, is because the right people are not part of the reason why the outreach efforts that are made are so futile. And it occurs to me that the women's movement will consistently have problems once and until it stops reflecting in adaption of exactly the same problems that occurred In other words, no black woman or herself, can spend a lot of time with the racism, that they are supposed to be concerned about the case every day is reflected in the organization that also revolves around that is one of the things that I believe this is critical is a coalition, which proceeds from the premise that black women, Hispanic women have certain experiences and skills that could actually strengthen the candidate, I was very intrigued by because one of the pivotal states give me my homestead, which has to reverse progression in the state that Jessica and John signed. And by the way, 13% of all blacks, not those who face substantial economic deprivation, that is not the festival. And one of the interesting things about that, is that some of the stuff is so badly that blacks were narrowly working on the statewide coalition that Meeks pushes and they have some substantial influence and they have representation therefore, it seems to me that strategically the women's movement as well as Unknown Speaker 31:59 well to put a great deal of effort on involving capable black women leadership roles, black headquarters, as well as to bring national in this time, where it is a substantial black hasn't Harrison block you that is not to say that would have been it would have been an interesting one No, I was saying that you want us to see what we, we want. Unknown Speaker 32:53 We want as black women kind of thing I want to say I want Unknown Speaker 33:01 to be able to have to be integrated with it, I want to be able to submit women's issues and black machines not sleeping. Fortunately, that kind of enjoy so if I have to choose where I place that I'm going to choose that struggle with childcare, but also affectionately that children are happy to be it shouldn't be that way. But unfortunately that now, the last thing I want to say is that you know, even while I made this comment, there are problems within the ones that are sometimes you buy the conflict that whatever they want to do in our community in that respect is not and if therefore would have liked, if they could have an issue with because then they to have at least in the difficult dealings that is a very difficult proposition to sell. In light of configuration, behavior many of and the leadership what I see for the future, I agree with them. The name of the game both positively and negatively is motivated organizing and loving But it appears to me to be the way that is positive in that I think that a lot of people certainly solutions and innovation and mentorship, both male and female. That is negative because of the timing of the evidence. Part of this where local activism may change Unknown Speaker 35:26 the channel. So it's a harder struggle in many respects. The second thing is that I think that there's going to have to be a candidate and frankly assessment Unknown Speaker 35:42 of what it means to have coalition politics. coalition politics is becoming as much of a dirty word in some quarters as integration has been coalition politics has not been subsumed into already articulated it means formulating a new agenda that reflects the importance of what previously it may mean unselfish, shouting, and I think it's pretty likely that somebody has just left a meeting, or Secondly, like we just Unknown Speaker 36:17 isolated syndrome, all samples, Unknown Speaker 36:18 not a movie. But as a self indulgence is advice, because then that's gonna make a pillow each other, have something to sit on. But that is true. Across the board. That self indulgence isn't nice. And hard coalition politics is sometimes recognizing the fact that your particular agenda for your particular work, particularly men have to take a backseat from time to time in the industry, right, good. And that's not so good to insure you for the past maturation. I do want to put in a plug for the role of issues in stimulating political involvement. Because I do think that we get to the point of looking at how to play so much with a big giant chess game, right? That is ridiculous. It's not true. And people are much more intelligent than AI computer chips. And therefore, there's a rigor about that requires us to account. Last but not least, I don't think that any of the only canard about was progressive, conservative. These are extraordinary. Unknown Speaker 37:59 And I think that part of Unknown Speaker 38:00 the problem is that we have to be unafraid to re examine. We have to be willing, you have to be willing to confess that certain things that Unknown Speaker 38:14 we said it may mean that some of the things that have been used in the most odious call possible fashion Unknown Speaker 38:30 are nonetheless legitimate issues. All this craziness. I'm trying to figure out how to pay for all this, all this crazy. Lightning religiosity using those kinds of things. Unknown Speaker 38:59 And yeah, even as a person, we get our Unknown Speaker 39:03 family members happy. So we need to press control issues for those. And not rejected out of hand as an issue, simply because Unknown Speaker 39:25 I think I probably said what was apparent because I was telling you but I hope that at least without knowing what Apple had said before he knew he had some emotional liberals. But at any rate, I hope there's some discussion about this question. Unknown Speaker 39:52 I want to open it up, because you are blocking the discussion And that is to felt like one, I think you're right that the key to their family comes from the at the local level, it's going to be an issue that comes up in my mind. But that's an that's a long way to come into this country with all but that if there are going to be more and more at the local level people and now you know, your work as moving looks for some concern about being referenced in one class orientation page. And it's moving that they think it's a lot. But again, it's when you tend to find a woman who has a national face. And then you have to kind of live with having all of those things a very different kind climb. And then headquarters with corporate for now. I think that unfortunately International Limited to I think nine to five would be cool. I think there are different topics out there. And then there will be literature that, essentially are everywhere, where everyone, what my concern would say, there's going to be more, because in the rankings, the rhetoric of the national and national media started to get you know, we are in trouble because we're going to, we're going to call them the middle class last part of the day. And that the women's movement in the National Center was not to live together, struggle. Everyone has my my own class. But then the national product is going to be playing much more back to things moving rapidly, is a very media oriented context. Now talking about what one thinks about that could include this comprehensive, made around meal when we talk about what are the national faces now many of these organizations have local news that was very different from what the national mood is, but who are the spokesperson for the women's they're going to go much less than direction. Unknown Speaker 43:07 Let me let me just give some examples. An extra incentive to make another video about two years ago, three years ago, I was asked to escape the National Women's Day. And I was talking about economic issues. And and we had a fairly contentious discussion because I said to them, I said, you know, every Austin, and again after that, actually, they want to do some repair. But one of the things that happened in this discussion was I raised the economic athlete. And I raised Unknown Speaker 44:07 it as part of the game. Unknown Speaker 44:12 And Jeremy girl was in the loop, She almost had a heart attack, so that she was deferred, and she was very strong. And her statements about why it was such a thing. And so yeah, it was a great thing as far as when. And somebody had asked me to go to the other side. And so I was walking at the name and she was going on with a pension. And I spotted on my flat, my heel on there. I just it just came from somewhere. And I said, See, but that's precisely what's wrong. I said, you know, I'm all for portability of pensions. That's one of the I have no pension before. So you see that as if they were is the provision in this bill, for those women who have no pension protection at all. And what are you prepared to advocate as a national worker? For them, just like you advocated a national approach, book, the ability I see now, if I had been in the room, as you discuss the formulation of this legislation, I said, and I don't mean, I want to inform you, but I as a black person, I bet you that we would have talked about what kind of position needed to be examined, and what kind of edge? Well, just because all of a sudden, it kept them squarely. This was a true state. And it was true about several other elements of this omnibus piece of legislation. Now, on the media, as you recall, we were almost coerced blackmail, because if we didn't lockstep in favor of the economic Equity Act, and I really thought it's a good piece of legislation, but not affected, and raised fundamental issues about what it is that we advocate, who it is that sets the agenda, and why it is given whether it be agenda SEC is deficient. Unknown Speaker 46:07 theory it's analogous to what women are longing for on a job. And the job was before the building, finally, we start screaming at the next job. So that when a job is done, then we find we then say, who I want his job? Well, women's jobs tend to be built in, they tend to be, you know, some kind of carpet dogs and they exclude certain kinds of women. And so the next step is what is once they've got the variety. Notice. First, temporize cap, and where does it tend to tend to go for many customers? And I think that's kind of the chief problem. That while there was a lot of rhetoric, or concern about it, there is no meaning. And then, yes, sounds many, but but it's not the same thing as talking about, you know, they help people live in poverty, put on the agenda, but he went on policy intended, when middle classes were getting for the homeless, because of the nature of local work, they were moving on their basic property rights, and now becoming for the practice of feminization of poverty, they've become proficient. So that there is a dynamic fair that we have to do. And then people go, and the last thing I was gonna say, was the relative position. And what happened in North Carolina. And in Illinois, on the issue of the era was in part the problems that the blacks will be with us. And if they're not, you can't afford the court. Because the worst thing that we could do the show, we're on their side here this morning, they don't want us and they don't want to get into the political economy. Homosexual, therefore, if we go forth, the black community on this globe, and this was like, in other words, the trade off, and there's no name recognition that that short term walkway. Now, I'm not saying that happens, but that is a believable scenario. I will also say that, on the other side, there are women in the women's movement who feel two things. One is that that's one thing that shouldn't be provocative. One is that webinar is being asked, but when you talk about coalition building, and you say a lot for the greater good, women are always being told they were shitting on them. And that there's a for a lot of these women in the finance movement. And the second thing they feel is that black legislators black male, and I'm not sensitive and trademark, the fiscal keep powerful and on file, and in some places it's true. On the other hand, Congressional Black Caucus support with cross every single time Unknown Speaker 49:35 so that we can you know, I just Unknown Speaker 49:38 I guess why, Tran I'm fixing all the talk about the bicycle. I knew there was going to be issues and then it took a lot of time. Unknown Speaker 49:51 Just one observation about what you said in terms of how you choose to connect. I guess what I would love to see is Carl Imagine creativity, to recast solutions that are close to our issues to defining what our issues are. I think that's what most thought would say, you know, there was a movie very good news segment given a simpler truth many years ago with a friend. And I mean, so if you are going to talk and then when, and then. And I think that that that's the kind of, because see if we could feel empty home in the winter to admit that it would be our assignment, to sensitize those letters. And then that becomes our role to play to get them online. But as long as we have a sense of discomfort, then we can't, in good conscience, discharge that responsibility. Because then we really see our issues being woven into models, several test cases, the answer is no. You know, maybe I'm wrong, I would even take one out, I would take the Unknown Speaker 51:25 survey did not include exponential stuff. But in fact, like when you have a package, that is if you look at people, not only they will take a look at it for me not as much as a package. That's awesome. But that, both to ensure that black women take the most progressive line on issues across the board, and package them together. In that there's some understanding. And that there's some understanding of the role of the state. It's a little more political day insurance. And the state of how one's community, Unknown Speaker 52:15 even just the duality and that sort of thing. But I guess Unknown Speaker 52:21 this comes back to kind of what would be the feminist response to this? And I think that that's right, that that part of the organizing, is just the heterogeneity. So okay, let me talk about that. And then we'll open it up, okay. Well, we can work that out. And I was thinking on my feet. And that is, look, I always said to you, you know, if you ask men about the economy and about the economy, from then you get deficits in order to get inflation on the books, you then ask them about the economy begin in some different kind of way, from all the women who are professional, you'll get the question authority, white, middle class young people, you'll get younger. Attending partnership, and all those kinds of practices, then my students are concerned about getting a job, opportunity to NASA, when you talk to high school students, their notion of opportunity to get a job, that's not going to push and lose a working ethic don't because that's not expanding sector in society, so that that language of what you mean by economic opportunity, and if I were to think about an issue that will go across economic conflict, that each one of those women is at some level or whether, you know, number one, number two, number seven, day periodization. And maybe there's a way that sounds like when you talk about daycare, don't only talk about we're gonna talk about that. But we'll talk about as a legitimate concern, often times Unknown Speaker 54:12 with different types of data that already uses I'm really what I'm asking for kind of laying it out and whatnot. Unknown Speaker 54:32 And some of the care about my daughter's life people and how this is possible. You know, and if you break loose, and other women who love to be sensitive, and they think in their heart of hearts that they're stone, but they don't want to be able to talk about that we want specialty systems to care better, and that was like the woman we talked to in pharma. And then there are other women who think they are considering and hang on. So how do you work? Unknown Speaker 55:09 I'm just gonna say that as an example, what you're talking about, I want to live, incredible children's defense law conference a couple of weeks ago, we're very white, it'll be a usual to read this speech. But what was interesting there was the taking offense at the conservative about going back to the topic was adolescent pregnancy. And the notion that the end after speaker after speaker was we need to go back to the real family values, we need to go back to teaching children discipline, because that's exactly what speaker after speaker said. So that's picking up on what you're saying, or being not afraid to use different terms, talking about what's happening now. And I'm sure she'll be very successful with campaigns on childcare and prenatal dollars, and so on. So it was interesting, exactly what you said transpiring, and I think it'll work. The second thing I just thought I would mention, which is really scary. And it's an example of regular sports. But may Rob Oakley was apparently moving from one office in New York to another them or at least, it was subletting in a space and the new owner was the prime candidate steps into the owner of the building permit. And the owner the ones that Oh, no, they're not MY GOD will be gone and they cannot suffer. Because the same thing happened was they called up a local group this for years is provided to Title Five and senior citizens, you know, somebody to do clerical work in the office. And this time, we'll be involved on the scene assist organizations in just a minute, we'll call you back and call back the next day so that we can give you the senior this year as we have continue. So in other words, Reagan does not pulling the plug, obviously would covertly himself with these programs are scary, in contradiction to the opinions about the Children's Defense. That nine to five, appropriate. Unknown Speaker 57:01 But I heard someone say something like that or family, you know, wanting to weaken it. Welcome to Black people have nonprofit mental often on the left, where women struggle to raise their kids. And that, that implies a lot of things that I'm doing. I agree that there's a difference in saying that we're concerned about family. And I think that's where the women's movement and other groups are quickly running to the right to appropriate lines that Unknown Speaker 57:34 you certainly need. In your constituency, so awesome. And, you know, there's racing, drag racing down. 748 great team, train, racing, impressive track, you know, I've got a kid condition, HP Unknown Speaker 58:10 Sukabumi example which those women will ask you, I mean, these Roskelley. And the whole question of failure, it's very interesting, because when I talk about them, I mean, you know, I have to say it was not the traditional male, female 2.5 to Five Guys. So the point is, is that you can talk about family and family that you without extra, without you to take the language without buying into the 2.5 kids. Second thing is that, you know, I've been enough we'll back and forth with this new organization, trying to come to terms with one of the things that is troubling is the notion that public interest in the public interest has become synonymous with sloppy. Yeah, I mean, we want to be touchy feely, nice, man. So we all want to be with us. And that's true about the difficulty of grappling. And it's also true that family it is not a bad word, to say, we have to be discipline. The question is disciplined for what if you could disappoint what the human suffering is disciplined for achieving long term fans just want to cancel communications and understanding all people using this. We want them fast