Unknown Speaker 00:02 And that's what I see from any country and political situation will dissolve around indiscipline. So I feel I need to keep the best self assessment Unknown Speaker 00:22 I would have to be looking Unknown Speaker 00:23 to say where are some people that we want to hear even if the application know exactly that what you're saying is scary if they need to get some time to remind us that our principal, but it is not scary that they finally are focusing on this as a policy concern. Unknown Speaker 01:00 Yeah, I think one of the things it's important to think about the word family using that language. And I think there's so many women that felt locked out of it, what we're closing up, because I think if they are holding my babies up and not really computers, movement is manifesting. Unknown Speaker 01:21 We can't be afraid of the quality of life. What do you choose to be home that you want to be at home? Unknown Speaker 01:32 Take those things. Yeah, but I Unknown Speaker 01:37 what I love Unknown Speaker 01:40 is not simply to Unknown Speaker 01:44 take the family, I love my family. But I the reason we lost those words was not because I'm thinking because women were equated new woman to that kind of identity independence. So that the initial reaction against family for wetlands was to say, we don't want to say we have a right Unknown Speaker 02:17 to contact Unknown Speaker 02:19 all our decisions. Unknown Speaker 02:21 For the good of the family, to self Abnegation, kind of roll with it that will leave me with a chicken mentor, you know. What happens with that is that for many women, the activity is really for the family. But also, for instance, something else we're talking right now. Which is the language that I think most women their survival guide, get up and we're gonna look at the modern nurse, family, whatever, that's family. Both if you're working or one person working with family, I mean, it now take almost two people to earn enough money, you know, to want to want a single wager made. I mean, the reality is that lots of women are out there cooking. Unknown Speaker 03:27 I think that that. And I also think that is true in life, experience any new changes, but there is some pendulum to swing out perhaps they push the outer limits of the rhetoric and the push the outer limits of what constitutes before there's some readjustment back to more inclusive language. So, movement are not defaulted. What is the beginning itself has to do in order to stay out of the territory? That's cool. What troubles me is that many of the learning that we have on the map, I want to deal with 96. Now if you don't want to deal with it, I would deal with 1985 and see and I cannot I cannot accept. I do not accept Unknown Speaker 04:25 that. platitudinous Unknown Speaker 04:30 garbage, if we care about all women, and then that all women be put forward as part of a negotiation. If we don't, then let's stop pretending that say this is the white middle class women's movement and you all do your thing and that's what's happening and that's dangerous to me. I'm troubled by that because we don't need to find a job. Yeah, there should be something else and so you know, I I do agree that the historic I find incredible Do you want shorts? I mean, that's what you had to do to wrest control. Now you've gotten control, there's nobody questions Unknown Speaker 05:20 you not question I'm glad to hear that. Unknown Speaker 05:24 I didn't say that they believe was a gold nugget. And I'm saying that nobody questioned the legitimacy of women's organization or bouncer. They might disagree profoundly with what emerges, but not that they stood out and say in the 60, that would have viewed women organizing was viewed with horror, I mean, or religion. So things have changed Unknown Speaker 05:52 well, and they also act on a political stance in that in that the attempt Unknown Speaker 05:55 to appropriate that containment now, elect LM Smeal president, they like to have my Unknown Speaker 06:04 PhD, but they elected this Pittsburgh councilman, because they wanted to put forth an image, you know, working against. But I think it is true, that when you hear the word family, people within this romantic text, we're I think we're not doing well over the summer. When I read the second phase, keep talking about my sexual family. She talked about in one family, she talked about communication talked about everything, there was a second most representative book, sense, but every potential, you have family capacity, now that you know us finished the book, and you want to go back to suburbia with Wiley and Cleaver, you know, that's what we've done. We've got to talk about family to do a better job and talking about family and somebody wanted. And I'm actually want to talk about my sister, as a single person, this happens all the time. She's much older than I am. And I like to get a cup, right? Everyone wants that. Well, the other thing? And I said yes, they can see my daughter, and then they'll be able to do that one. Yes. Now that we have such a narrow you have a family Unknown Speaker 07:24 talking about total issues before. Appreciate this issue of what happens in situations of grace may remember what I used to talk about. In presenting Unknown Speaker 08:19 this listen to stuff that wasn't but I think there are some issues that it raises, and I just wanted to make a comment and then try to see if I could crack the question in context. The comment is that, you know, as we mature, in the political arena, I think we have to your idealism, about how people are supposed to treat each other. And women have really no lock on the higher ground. And so what happens is that political expediency is just much as much a part of their motivation sometimes. And that's the bad that's the downside of finally being viewed seriously as which is a process and that's without taking a position on what is right. In the context of New York. Let me suggest that in New York, I sense that memories are extremely long. And, and that people's motivations are things look insane, given the current realities of current realities have nothing to do. Has to do with that long time ago. That's, that's one of the people who brought you in, in terms of specs, and conscious of digital candidates. To learn merge has to do with a lot of things not all relevant to learn today. And that leads me squarely into the discussion what I think is happening Know what we issue a coalition initially involves a kind of mutual respect and kind of lack of self indulgence. And I don't see as often. So what happens is, is that everybody says, okay, regardless of the context, it's my turn that being a cheater about what habit I'm a week where everybody else it's my turn. Carol Bellamy, from my perspective, made some very significant tactical errors that almost moved her out as a candidate that blacks and to some degree Hispanics could support. And I hope that white men in the city do not misinterpret the lack of support Carol Bellamy as a lack of support for white women as his image, a lot of their lack of support a parallel, which is grounded in things with care with LD did or did not do, and that some significant supporting costs will go up. And I mean, you know, so so it is not a contextual analysis that makes it impossible to do, though, it has to do that. And she acknowledges the tactical mistake that she's made in some areas, but I think she underestimates the issue more than significance that people attach to them with regard to conduct the deal as opposed to the federal budgets, there's issues with in Bazel past 10 years is original discussion about pandas to unnatural candidates. I think that things would have been vastly different. Because basil had assiduously courted the coalition and the coalition participants for years and years and years, to come once, and it was always understood Unknown Speaker 12:10 that blacks in the city Unknown Speaker 12:12 had the right to finally be a candidate. When basil dropped out of it, instead of people in the, in the potential coalition, remembering that this was their modus vivendi, they began to look at it as a wide open situation and 100 revealed, particularly when he began to feel that blacks would swing to him as the most fun without needing to consult in the city. That set up that set up because watch that video limitation. Hispanics were pissed off, because they need much more sacrifice. There was a great conversion, and it's realness. I mean, but it's not based just on now it's based on mobile, this issue was trying to push Unknown Speaker 13:37 me automatic support for transactional products. But it's difficult to choose between and in the meantime Unknown Speaker 14:08 you know, again, I mean, I really do believe that forest is the issues of Unknown Speaker 14:14 coal. And I think Unknown Speaker 14:16 that the electric provider may be able to get, you know, a personality to some of the issues leading up to my issues. I mean, I think that it's all good. It's all very good prefer small commandlets My name contest. I mean, in fact, care about when we will go for a downside. This is what I mean, I'm talking from the APK. So if anybody has touched that, I mean, he didn't know Unknown Speaker 14:57 but, but But you know, I mean, that you know, I make the board with that. I tried it, I think it is now. But I gotta tell you the issues in this particular house, I'm not sure, at least initially will have the effect of galvanizing people and making them come together. And that's why it's actually probably the mayor of New York in 90 days. I just I mean, I don't know what else to say, except that I still hold the constant the issues or be handy and often the fact that New York in some respects is anomalous. Unknown Speaker 15:35 Let me raise agent paradip. Unknown Speaker 15:39 contest. Unknown Speaker 15:42 And it misses some of Unknown Speaker 15:45 the women. In the black balloons, that black or Hispanic job Unknown Speaker 15:55 is less than a year. Unknown Speaker 15:57 And by the way, I don't want to come back to Unknown Speaker 16:01 that countdown, Unknown Speaker 16:02 when did you get that intriguing? Unknown Speaker 16:06 I'm having a bad Unknown Speaker 16:09 day doesn't even care. NP To be honest, that is Unknown Speaker 16:16 a great, but that's not the same kind of Unknown Speaker 16:22 gratitude for that class. And we face that as historic organizing in New York, Unknown Speaker 16:29 and what will happen from town in town. And the people will say, Well, you feel will be so important, because after all, I think the issue will then become a difference. Aside from the hardcore people who really know and was successfully convinced to come to our council, Unknown Speaker 16:57 Sumo. How much differentiated Unknown Speaker 17:00 are they into some of this problem where there's a rhetoric of exchange, but in fact, I will make an announcement where you can Mondo thing with the new conservative view, which is that new fiscal year, and he is really strong with the Russians. And Ronald Reagan, that hadn't discovered because colonialism was invented over many years tough. But if you can make those more Unknown Speaker 17:30 data, Unknown Speaker 17:33 it can be very hard. And Carol, for marketing for the laundry, Unknown Speaker 17:40 that people will get that, Unknown Speaker 17:43 but doesn't have a lot of dates right now. Because history, Unknown Speaker 17:47 I think that's Unknown Speaker 17:49 because a certain kind of policy building this city needs. That doesn't mean, however, that she is not working Unknown Speaker 17:58 with Mayor. Nor does that mean that I wouldn't vote, Unknown Speaker 18:03 but I'm gonna get most important Unknown Speaker 18:08 in terms of what you're saying is that since since Monday, I have not gonna get photos right now. She might as well go conditions can vouch for the photos. It sounds like that's what you're Unknown Speaker 18:35 looking for? Well, I think that that's the that's true, in part with what I was what I was tying was my analysis Unknown Speaker 18:48 of cannabis cannabis prospects is granted in something quite different from either the women's vote or say, for the issues that she might or might not find out. And that is the anomaly that is in your hand. And that's why sometimes, and I want to say, by the way that I am not a New York City, rather. So I don't have a chance to say that. And I don't take a position that Carol Bellamy could be overstated and quite contrary, that's why I made it very clear. And I'm probably a case. But I still think that her particular candidacy in this context at this time is not only a it is not only an improper test case for a witness vote per se, but it is also an improper test case for the viability of coalition to because of certain historical realities that now she has a new apparel building, and it has nothing to do with her being a woman that is really not a novelist for a lot of the people who are making The judgments that are made with what is on the list are things like supporting College, their names, my contact, conditioner, agencies, things like what the role of the city council viewed to be, as opposed to an African American or leadership, things, crafts, things like that she gets released to some people as opposed to the others. I mean, it's a lot of other things. And that is what has changed over the ecology of this particular candle. In other Unknown Speaker 20:36 words, she doesn't have the options that you're asking them to suggest how she Unknown Speaker 20:41 should exercise Unknown Speaker 20:46 to take to take care of the world from it. So you see that the things that Apple said they are? Well, very few of them how to the women voted for it? Isn't that how Germany four out away from issues that galvanizing for women, et cetera, et cetera? There, we could talk about the things I think you're asking us to talk about, and for those who wish not, it may change somewhat, but I don't really see the changes I've seen so far. And that's why I answered the questions. And by the way, the one thing that I think is important, I see, even we talked about this issue. But notice what we're saying, you know, black women are not monolithic, either, but also they're not part of what's considered the woman's vote. And therein lies the full circle to the airline with Unknown Speaker 21:45 a promise, yeah, you're less than one, so long as the pitch this particular kind of way, and make it such that that there is no doubt in my mind, having listened to you that the black woman's vote if it goes to Carol's going to be at the table. And that is probably going to go some other directions, because this ecology, so we are gone full circle, but because I've learned so much. Unknown Speaker 22:14 Today, she when she finally came Unknown Speaker 22:18 to get Ms. My friend over coffee and decision making Yes. Unknown Speaker 22:27 Let's talk a little bit about the material. Because that's all it is the hidden share of building the future. I mean, if if the unfortunate message is that the things that happened before, not so far before, but you know, our, then the time is now for 1990. And after this maturity needs to be in every element. It can't just the last five women, you know, understanding their solidarity with black men, and also, you know, it has and the whole sort of reorientation for white middle class is my heart. I mean, first of all, I think they what what in the past, we would have to do if they're going to be sure is to say, Hey, I'm going to take a position on the terrain that those people have specified. But that's a big shock for a lot of middle class by coming in here to do and when they do it, we may have the kind of conversion experience, which is altogether inappropriate way of saying, I'm going to go and join them. Which is not I mean, that we have the second stage of that maturity is you've got to go there knowing that you are in some way, part of this kind of of a coalition sided limits because you cannot substitute yourself for a black woman. Unknown Speaker 23:59 And I mean, this is tough, Unknown Speaker 24:01 tough because both your public have to both have a New York Coalition. And you have to be had the emotional resilience and self knowledge to be able to go there and be rejected, appropriately. But Unknown Speaker 24:19 but you know, it's interesting, what you said you know, it's come up with a number, Unknown Speaker 24:30 a real fire around coach, Unknown Speaker 24:33 blacks connection issues, middle class, women versus men and women of color versus white, Unknown Speaker 24:49 black blacks in general versus the lack thereof in Flashpoint. The things that interests me, this whole area of critical thought Reviews, a lot of times the right people are now and people who question history, sometimes people can no longer take a leadership role important, they have to be mature enough to step aside, and to support some forces. That is, particularly in an organizational context, Unknown Speaker 25:27 because I consider some of our leadership. Unknown Speaker 25:31 She never used to send these guys, once they got to see they died. I mean, everything is all it was was Masha beforehand. So it is committed to the life. It's the same, therefore no one hears the name. Because it's like we are at a steady state of a certain level of destiny for a certain period of time, you don't even notice it, there's always and that's the same thing. The whole question of Unknown Speaker 26:00 opening up Unknown Speaker 26:01 political leadership to newcomers is, I think the critical test of political maturity at this point, that that goes to question of integrating them into your professional running Yoga people into positions, mentoring with them so they can become we will contributors, and we are continually missing the boat, on that whole question of really redefining leadership, and finding new leadership, new places and elevating it to the level that it deserves. So they can reflect in the question of issues. When we set out to do this, because one of the hardest adjustments was leadership that came out of the charismatic tradition was to recognize that they had to move forward. And invite because ourselves had already recognized and it was killing us with the analysis, when I used to be in the business reporting into the White House, and I wanted to find a definitive economic METRIC model, economically based analysis benefits. I could. And I just find all kinds of stuff about how a product is actually profitable, product to replace displays, everything works well. Because that's the work they did to work. And they're technocratic input was elevated to a leadership position. So in our communities as well was allowed to do, and part of it has to do with who it is, that has really happened before this new agenda, some of the old players handle and to say, that is not to disrespect is not to disrespect them. And to deny the contribution. It's simply to recognize the nature to perhaps Unknown Speaker 28:14 wanted you to have power down they don't quite aren't as wise as we are to navigation. And tracking, although oftentimes their second one is, I guess I'm throwing out something that we talked about food, we've talked about issues, we've talked about consultation, we just don't want that to happen. If you raise your hand, worried about itself. We're not worried about other people, where the assumption that governance models are constantly changing. And that we just can't afford it. That yes, it would be nice for the NSA legitimate response, and therefore enforcement, essentially that is tasked with pushing people to manage these issues. Well, I think Unknown Speaker 29:17 he's dead on 60 minutes last Sunday night. Unknown Speaker 29:22 Very, very important to me, what was the investigation because that is very as comfortable with that. Unknown Speaker 29:30 So that that was the question. Unknown Speaker 29:34 And it speaks to I didn't tell it for action, but I know and I lost some of my dragon I really missed it, but I consider to be a good person about fits in and seeing the other side. Unknown Speaker 29:52 In general gets in Unknown Speaker 29:55 our culture, that culture, whatever After one more thing you are so articulate around the farmer. But it's important to realize that some of it as I was showing, you like to speak for us, for yourself are not as articulate. And I'm thinking you said something about looking for an econometric study on something, somebody had already done it, but not to find the things you want it to be quite weakness every single time. They know how to use the language, the vocabulary. And so the model majority people, a President Reagan can say he's gone overboard when he said he felt like to support the American farmers. And he doesn't want him to visit about how or whatever when he goes to Germany in May. So we have forgotten that in terms of what our allies do. And it's helped me do ideas, as you said, he was discussing the Foundation for the National Congress a few months ago, this is really important it has to do, to speak with a bad, frustrated, frustrated. Unknown Speaker 31:29 And one of the things whether he doesn't want to be poor, right. One of the things that I Unknown Speaker 31:37 really was disappointed with the Democratic Party convention on the stage was perfect, the Democratic Party had all of that speech in his attempt for all elements of America together, black and white, people of color old, young, middle aged, equal together in that beautiful piece of rhetoric. What most Americans hold here, you know, this is a very long time, we can all be together, we do not have to use the labors of one group, to elevate ourselves to the detriment of that group. We can all go forward together. And I think the Democratic Party missed it by not addressing these issues, but not calling them these are human issues. Unknown Speaker 32:30 And they cross across the Unknown Speaker 32:33 class lines and across the equity and common line, because it is in our interest as people that people have the opportunity to go sport, that they have the opportunity to use the talents as best they Unknown Speaker 32:48 can is. The fact we've learned something from it actually. We've learned that one, poverty Unknown Speaker 33:19 due to costs and productivity, Unknown Speaker 33:22 inflation haven't met, I think, in terms of the confidence that the premise that it was the new Hill, the ideas were not wrong, implementation. Unknown Speaker 33:36 And correct. But it was a it's erroneous to say inflation was I pushed me to say, because Unknown Speaker 33:44 now let me put the further name into that Unknown Speaker 33:47 market plus flat rate every Unknown Speaker 33:51 give me that education, pain, education, calm the Tampa Bay to find out what the SAP was fine. We know not because of Reagan administration, discipline, cut back on all this stuff. All right, I just think it's important to understand that what you have said, or another time that Unknown Speaker 34:21 means he's just because they have the discipline to give the pushing in finding issues. So it's right to say about your foreign language in this context, and what's also true, is that what you're saying is exactly what we have to say. Unknown Speaker 34:58 And we got to this Just push ourselves to work as I was saying. And to come up with something that is not just in time for length, Unknown Speaker 35:16 craft, technical legal Unknown Speaker 35:19 language with finding another man that blindly Unknown Speaker 35:22 interjected here, he would not take the vice presidential nomination. He's a smart politician, he Co Co Op, we did not take. I'm sure that Walter Mondale would much prefer him to do it for our for any woman candidate. He met at the airport at Walters going someplace and folks are saying stuff like, he's a smart politician. Hopefully, he'll still be around and have some clout in a minute. But he picked me up that way. And people do that. I'm sure the convention I was in Toronto, I first heard he spoke to them. But I knew he was this man politicians that at least he knows we're not going to be written in for and he's up there. He's just talking to you. But he's smarter than a politician. And that router for a new age. Yes. Political maturity. I don't know I really don't see that a rising tide floats all boats. Unknown Speaker 36:36 Issue like education or? Literacy is scores that I was going to get were, let me give you an interesting Unknown Speaker 37:02 question, Shannon litical. often lose sight. But it's really Unknown Speaker 37:17 I find that interesting. I think I know nobody to check the giant chess board in the air, or you get something that here's a surrealistic problem for a lot of people because they feel that they are down on the ground, maybe the hard edge realities of life and danger. And it's good immunity for the West the hill. And I think that where the Democrats went wrong, was that they left themselves with voters from the special interests later, without recognizing that special interests are the special people and that there are people with special problems. And it is not wrong to what Unknown Speaker 38:03 will also make you not want to proceed. Because the special interest is really the military. Unknown Speaker 38:12 Where any candidate says just that they did, everybody was so panicked. By the big community communicated in the sky that they ran for cover, they ran right into a defeat. Because anytime, Prince Mondale finally got enough together to take one reason why people got all excited, and for mood and fire, every time he played chickenshit. On the edge of the cliff, he fell out. If he had gone ahead and took the tough stance and took the talk and walk the tough line, he was built his bridge over to embrace the respect of the choice. At a certain point. People want to feel that you're talking to them and understand what they are, where they live, what is it and all the rhetoric is going to change that one, the very people that you're trying to get to support you, and there's a legacy of bitterness there that's going to allow us to truly overcome tiny Democratic Parties. deep joy reflects deep Trump. And, you know, part of the tension is trying to keep the positive things that Justin Jackson from evolving into some other kind of negative thing that really percent tariffs or something, whatever it is, they're all Unknown Speaker 39:41 party, and I'm gonna say that Unknown Speaker 39:45 without being at all saying the Democratic party yesterday Unknown Speaker 39:52 is going to be a Democratic Party. Unknown Speaker 39:53 Just because a heart attack is what I call it. surgery Unknown Speaker 40:05 on the left this gentleman Unknown Speaker 40:08 with the special interest question really sort of hits the nail on the head in terms of a lot of the times you can read them today. Because it's important, I think, for us to realize that movements aren't necessarily these different kinds of special interests. The civil rights movement in the 1960s had an appeal as Universalist that it could not be stigmatized as a special interest. But labor movement in the 1930s had a universalistic appeal, the anti war movement of the 60s and 70s, to some extent has universalistic appeal, unless we kind of realize why it is in the current political climate, that even work we string together this grand coalition of the left and these men at the national level, chances are any candidate identified with that coalition could still get tagged as a special interest candidate to get mailed. That's why the one important reason where the Democrats are shifting to the right, there's a reality here, it's not just a psychological problem they have. The reality is, in fact, if you add up all those pieces, it doesn't amount to a majority yet. I mean, we're facing a situation in the country today, we're in a profoundly deep politicized situation. Most women did not identify with the women's movement, most working people did not identify with the labor movement, Reagan on the right and successfully managed to tag those movements as special interest movements are talking about being Unknown Speaker 41:22 true. And I think that was an important part of all kinds of failure that we could not pick this otherwise. But that the labor for women, for disabled for the elderly organization support the candidate, the ones this YouTuber with numerous universalistic notions of what is the common good Unknown Speaker 41:45 of working together and bringing in people from different walks of life for that Unknown Speaker 41:49 it did not happen in that context would have been interesting. And the other thing that was what, what is the, I think, if you want to call that our continued concern, in government, that is the fiscal crisis, we have seen it New York and everything on the network, Unknown Speaker 42:07 how to work with and that can work somehow and how to build for the common capital. I'm Unknown Speaker 42:16 not talking about that Unknown Speaker 42:18 what I think is another issue. The issue that I have is just how do you work with having Unknown Speaker 42:35 a good afternoon, Unknown Speaker 42:36 the definition lives, the next steps. And what's interesting to me is that Ronald Reagan has successfully again and again, defined the common good in the most special interest elite imaginable, and he's gone. Unknown Speaker 43:01 But he's a little bit different because of the nature or just an economic issue that people are setting his agenda is true, you're still public relations people in the country, right. Unknown Speaker 43:21 I believe that but I think for myself and let me give you an example that I love to do with runways. And that you know, it just may be a lot of math communicators around the person who left and mentioned cemetery New York City. That time spent with city hall and I moved to the Bronx not take to fix this city has capital. Smith, calm they have the best services I've ever seen in my life. And my biggest gripe when I was leaving was I couldn't pay the government back in the Bronx to Manhattan because I tested the bus and the nutrients and events of the virus and now I come back to the city and so you know, that people from the grandson and wealthy I mean our money system a day travel and then I'm sitting and absorb that cost because somehow God does not Unknown Speaker 44:26 make that much money. So I found that there's a lot of hospitals at the time which collection is now privatizing. Unknown Speaker 44:37 I don't know how it's happened, but it's happening all over the place. And rent Oh, God. You that's my big deal. But moving back, this city has really been transformative in major redefinition of expectations. And it's partly fiscal crisis mentality was gonna go bankrupt. Basically with people coming back pulling together to work together and understand the chance that at least one and now the challenges were not broke anymore, we've been able to surplus in how we spend it, the politics will be fine. But I don't think that's just because the arms white tall boys got a great personality and to find me but I'm obligated to pay for myself. But that's why I think we're fooling ourselves. Unknown Speaker 45:30 So it isn't what you see the issue is is that one of the things that I found most fascinating and really no surprise that he is able to do a little soft shoe smile smile and everybody says okay, President I can sleep safely. And I think that you know, as a sort of a closet romantic, a whole question, symbolism. How tres is really very good. Unknown Speaker 46:19 And we Unknown Speaker 46:20 missed, we missed it. It's not irretrievable, I'm glad to disassemble the whole tree and that's a good materialization and that's the challenge. The challenge is not too late. Let it have because I mean, all of us have tire tracks, but one backside to leather. And the challenge is to get up and go back quite low but you know, it's a higher integrated field for newer people, or diesel. I think it is you have to use this course. So the question is, where's the ducks? Not where's the week? Unknown Speaker 46:57 Well on that routing table have that. Unknown Speaker 47:02 Make yourself for something greater than yourself because we will all Unknown Speaker 47:05 become the people and I would greatly if you but you'll be poor