Unknown Speaker 00:04 Although people were still registering, often having church credits that accompany the civil procedure by about 19.6, the vast majority of people are extremely marriages. So that's a it's a fairly effortless sequential church in terms of what the church had to say. The church was not really free to say that much. So, the churches will say package official participants in this whole day there's no church. The church was not publishing, congregates, amusing and efficient way. So you have to a part of the church may have played a very important skill in peasant villages in friendship, mobilizing ideas in an artificial capacity. But that's extremely interesting. Activity, essentially. I think I'm not exactly sure how you how you can get up and essentially efficient references. But no, I was wondering, because that question Unknown Speaker 01:29 was even though there was no official church, I mean, it was the church, but it didn't don't have any official writing just a very definitely, strongly religious and a lot of ways people bring down faces because of the sequel, women being very upset because of the safety was buying within these places. Unknown Speaker 01:50 Reality and Unknown Speaker 01:53 I assume that we that destroys Unknown Speaker 01:55 abortion, there certainly. So that same sort of the same problems? Unknown Speaker 02:02 Well, I think there's no question your terms, especially in your country. Church, more traditional patriarchal values has been enforced by the church Unknown Speaker 02:21 or the church. You going around the neck now? Because on the one hand, this image here, I'll be there. even rarer, resist the gender gap. Is their fight around content to those family that are in some way, based in questions in the national system? Unknown Speaker 02:58 I think what's my work centers situation, for example. And so he's so different in regard to social relations and experience that it will be a whole separate discussion on its own. Also, it's been argued that emotion is actually use women as a sort of surrogate proletariat to kind of organize socialist movement experience. And that's a whole nother question from the use of gender and oppression in Russia. So it's not something that my research doesn't know. Unknown Speaker 03:43 When the understanding was close relative to all the Soviet pieces, apparently, the view towards marriage and reproduction changed drastically. And I was wondering whether the policy resulted from two things a, maybe what I just mentioned, the need to reassert the state's power over Unknown Speaker 04:07 the individual, Unknown Speaker 04:10 the recognition of the gap between social reality and how families could survive a desire to compensate for for the losses of the Civil War. And then the families. Unknown Speaker 04:30 That's number one. Number two, Unknown Speaker 04:31 we have the Soviet Union. That in big cities, one marriage of the results for us, and the reasons that could enrich American women that struck me is that people still get married. Why don't they reduce children? A lot Unknown Speaker 04:56 of people still get married today. Unknown Speaker 04:58 Well, why why? Do they? No, no, no, no, no, no. But why do why is it too serious for them to get bored of the salaries? No, I think the longer left in the office. Unknown Speaker 05:12 I think one problem we have today, which we do not have here, anywhere near the center staff is divorcing because of enormous housing problems. Often you have cases where, because of the housing shortage, you have cases where divorce, people continue to live in the same apartment for years. And you can imagine that situation results. So I think, because of a very high, it's very hard to create a horse. And not in the same step here at all. Unknown Speaker 05:46 What happens to the family, the other part of the interview Unknown Speaker 05:51 situation now is much more similar to ours and sets the problem, women are still, to a large extent concentrated with the lower end of the pay scale, but it's nowhere near the kind of thing we're talking about in between, it's where you have, for example, you don't have the employment that you have. The majority of women are working and they don't have problems. So that's not a question at all. I think that women will sacrifice their understanding the more students you know, the nearer the kind of thing that we're talking about. Unknown Speaker 06:32 Question about Unknown Speaker 06:35 listening to Unknown Speaker 06:37 Bob talk about Germany in the 50s, this, this inclusion of reproduction in the economic equation knows that, that repressed production was seen as being important to the economy, economic recovery, and this is mainly in the sense of physically then reproducing the labor force. And where does this come from, or her origins in say, National Socialist, thinking for this, or it's just a kind of new, we started Unknown Speaker 07:16 working with fallout from the the home economics, which does kind of budget studies, even before the personal one even more. And then what what was really interesting to me and discovering it overlap is sort of the post 1973 discussion around wages for housework and, and the kind of marks of success around Brexit versus laser. But here, it's taking place, largely within the camp of Catholic social theorists who are dealing deal in their real life, defining how habits when a non wage laborers work. And they say that it's good. And women don't just work for the pain allowance, because they only make 70 pennies an hour, no one can write my work. They also love their children. But this is productive labor, it's even more explicit in the family law, that they were the basis on which you can make demands for alimony or the equation of unpaid labor would work outside the home. So you only get your wages when you make the work. Unknown Speaker 08:47 Where I would just add that I would take us back to a very, very Unknown Speaker 08:58 naturally, I mean, I would go back to Unknown Speaker 09:03 the fear of the Eastern doors and choose a cold, and we need to reproduce German, and then the Nazis exacerbate that. And then, and then you get the period where they need people. So they need to reproduce Germans, but they also accept people from the Mediterranean from the east, and then you get an egg for Turkey. And then today, you get this incredible racism, which is anti Turkish. And that's it. Unknown Speaker 09:35 There's a real racism in the 50s as well. I mean, in, in terms of what's amazing is not the demographers who reappear 50s population policy totally rehabilitated and the graphs are exactly the same. But it's now a contrast not with the swamp example of Africa, and the yellow peril is to be threatened. I mean, It was a little overwhelming to me. And another element of continuity. I think, with the naughty business realize though, kind of racialist policy of labor importation to preserve a specific family ideal 60 so that you never get the labor force participation rate from the federal public good thing. So that it hasn't released, you go from fourth flavor of one writing. Voice to fourth flavor of another writing? No, I would certainly agree that there is kind of peculiar variety of racism, which will also Unknown Speaker 10:51 come back to that question about studying. Right now. It's obvious if you're traveling Central Asia, Unknown Speaker 10:57 that's a huge families Unknown Speaker 10:58 were to watch and watch. Unknown Speaker 11:07 And I think the Soviet government is rather worried about that. whatsoever to simulate fear, understanding why the Edit very big rescue, Unknown Speaker 11:21 marriage and family Unknown Speaker 11:24 planning and some of the reasons listed on why there was a very extreme about that, in terms in terms of the progressive in progress and what that means, basically, here, it struggles to progress. But their target memory hasn't been working class women, I mean, the aim of deliberation, are people who basically posted and proposed and prepared good concrete material reasons, I think that we can understand once we begin to explore the social context of their lives. If you take a look at the solid legislation, of 36, which is basically legislation at one minutes abortion, to give aid to women, and children, three sets up an enormous grid for daycare centers, because women are moving into the workforce in record numbers, and provides more social services for women. I think that one of the the problems can just say, well, this is part of solace control of an individual or solace control over the family. But that doesn't tell us is that if you take a look at the consequences, and women are saying twice, now, Jason, for agitating for a similar set of postures, not the prohibition of abortion, I don't think that's true. But in terms of making divorce, harder to get in terms of increasing day to day, children, in terms of increasing the grid of healthcare institutions, those are all things that we'll be moving. So I think one of the things that happens when we start actually doing social history, and looking at for trying to get how women themselves, when they do, let's say, we're not officials did not write, we're not, you know, part of the Politburo or whatever, what they thought about the situation, what they thought about their lives, is that we're forced to rethink in certain ways, this particular aspect of Stalinism, and to perhaps begin taking a look at what the social basis of support support workers, which is a tremendously complex question. But I think I've tried to list in this paper to kind of point in that direction. Unknown Speaker 13:52 Just to pursue that. There is, of course, another route could have been more progressive, combined with appropriate support for women is a way in which social history sort of recreates the conditions as they weren't without I'm not, that's not what you're doing. This way. You stated that last part that made me very uneasy. One can imagine other state policies, which would make that code work demaree because it was easier to make a more regressive than it is to change Unknown Speaker 14:26 structures. The kinds of structures that you're talking about changing points, let's just say the points are so enormous ly embedded in society, that one would have required to truly create a socialist and socialist vision for women in that situation of backwardness scarcity. Politics, was something that the state that particular point in time was in no way capable of undertaking. I think you're right, deep structural changes were necessary. I need to go into the whole question what this family wall looks like the countryside hasn't changed. I mean, that's unbelievable. And there, you're talking about changing, not just structures values, patriarchy, you're talking about changing the very mode of production in the countryside, which is the family household, in order to be able to liberate women, so Unknown Speaker 15:25 supernodes could be able to turn his coat that was exactly that is the whole way in which I agree with the whole wave of development, the productive forces to make possible further changes. So then, then, then you can look at China as an effort to subvert that necessity and finally puts an end to this interesting thing next year. Because even though you're trying exactly Unknown Speaker 15:54 the right question on China, I couldn't do that. But regressive paragraphs about how words have been different things depending on where you're starting from. And I found your explanation on some of the work happens. Very interesting. It seems to me that after the revolution, so many progressive statutes, Moniteau, passed, with no attempt at getting people to be able to handle what the laws were giving them, it was really much more than anybody could handle at that point, and habit, as the chaos develop, now, China today, with the limitation of the family, and certainly it's its face as its targeted on the types of family where it's having very little results, because it takes a long time to get these things going. The important thing is that the economic, the national economic needs of the country are being considered. And reproduction as such as conflict they're gonna have a lot of population with China certainly has, and you can't fake them. They didn't have a problem. solver, protect the family who seems like a terrible thing to give to a family that wants two children or three children. Yet the national policy is such that it's necessary to learn that the population of China, and we could call it regressive, or we could call it progressive, but what the what those words mean anyways. Unknown Speaker 17:38 I mean, I think that's an excellent point, because it's been very hard for me, in terms of talking about state policy towards women and family to label things. In that way. I use the word progressive care. And I think it's an abstract sense, there's no question what they tried to do was very progressive. It's actual impact was not progressive, it was regressive in that what happened was men picked up when pick themselves up, went down to the registry office signs, for got themselves divorced, did that, you know, 15 or 20 times and left wondering what the kids in a situation where you couldn't get jobs? Unknown Speaker 18:16 So is that Unknown Speaker 18:18 progressive legislation? No. But I mean, it's a hard question to come Unknown Speaker 18:27 to the question of progressive for whom that is the interest of an individual or a particular family that wants his son to carry on the family and they have their one child was born, and it's a daughter, versus the long term interest to wealth. One, one thing so if you want to buy the argument that the resources that China has its productive capacity, couldn't possibly develop fast enough to sustain Population and Population growth and your family have two children, then you're weighing Unknown Speaker 19:03 the collective interest, I guess, versus the interest of people and then what is progressive reform? What what, you know, how do you what are the priorities for making Unknown Speaker 19:21 China I wanted to ask the person to come to your point you said it failed in China. And I'm wondering, did it fail because of this embedded patriarchy of being a son and because the daughter went to the other column you I never once it was the woman that kept leaving family or leaving the commune unit and being of less economic word available woman was less economic work in the family, and later became a less economic to the commune because marriage should really become is that to one of the reasons Unknown Speaker 20:02 okay Unknown Speaker 20:07 so that nobody really has attacked patriarchy and patriarchal structure family Unknown Speaker 20:13 I have great hopes man this Unknown Speaker 20:21 is the appropriate place to end within Unknown Speaker 20:24 the year 2018 Yes it is no issues to say are in like a situation of this is awesome all originals this is actually just recently also recently a few weeks ago thank you again a bit more changes about what's going on in the US Top rated film was released last year only this Unknown Speaker 22:35 year