or perhaps half an hour at the absolute most I asked the rich well that's up to you maybe we shut the door is that night in town I can you hear me now I'll talk to some half an hour at most and then is this as a workshop we will or I hope tour of this Workshop is androgyny and the psychology of sex differences and I want to open this Workshop by offering background on the relations of these two concepts to each other the concept of androgyny has fought in 6 years and I count the six years since the publication for the recognition of androgyny the first of the books on it it's a name of many people in many disciplines and ways of life the question the veracity sex differences very beautiful Leti and their ultimate power to affect our lives these changes which I'll elaborate on more fully in the moment I certainly profound and of the utmost importance to feminism yes you may know when must know if you listen to Danza today the word androgyny has fallen on Hard Times ironically enough I cheered when my book was published 6 years ago cuz I would offend unbearably those who have their being in the last row sex kitten dichotomy be inevitable quarterback cheerleader assignment of Lights rolls certainly the reviews the book. Reflected this group in our society will momentarily upset but I'm laying off they shooting quieted down soon Indie began swinging in the Winds of changing trans so for example Anatole broyard who in 1973 in the New York Times Preposterous and disgusting provided this for my unbelieving eyes in a 1976 review of some of the book I closed while friendships in one's own sex may be deeply me a story it is also conceivable back into overstressing this kind of contact we may be begging the question of our deep-seated androgyny what's Manor accustomed to call the other women respond to the unexplored parts of themselves for which many of them feel such a profound you're in it the fun continue when I learned that a section from Total recognition of androgyny it become part of one year's lsit exam that's the exact people for trying to get into law school said let me add Instagram for you that I was need to pay to officially informed of the use of this passage the word in the concept of free money from the prison of gender and the bonds of appropriate behavior what was even more pleasing to those who hate the idea of stereotypical sex roles androgynous comments from the past began to surface here is a single example Cora Kaplan in her excellent introduction to the 1978 edition of Aurora Leigh, in a letter to miss mitford about Charles Kingsley I like and admire it few people struck me as much as he did last year in England man we do you say but I am not very fond of praising that is like calling the manly I hate you test the last in the line yes many famous too many time of this into those whose intelligence and commitment I must respect the word androgyny the kind of dirty word who are the games for the determination I don't go together on snapped what is take for example The Works of a woman for whom I have the most profound admiration and respect and being rich he published in 1973 simultaneously with my book of home which I did not then no entitled to stranger it is a poem a few lines which bomba read this morning nautical is giving you the rest of it let me read it to you looking inside looked before straight down the Hardin Street to the river walking rivers of the Avenues feeling a shutters the caves beneath the apps for watching the lights turn on at hours walking is I've walked before like a man like a woman in the city my Visionary anger cleansing my sight of the detailed perceptions of Mercy flowering am a tiger if I come into a room out of the shark Misty light and hear them talking a dead language if they ask me my identity what can I say but I am beyond kitchen I am the living mind you failed to the scribes and you're dead language the lost now the bird surviving only in the infinitive the letters of my name are written on different dates of the newborn child appears it's phone calls natural resources its birth certificate achieve there are words I cannot choose again humanism androgyny search words have no shame in them no diffidence before the Raging stoic grandmother's there glitches to shallow like a guy that does not funny a fibers of actual life as we lived now images book a woman born she complain but androgyny have recently become a good word like motherhood itself implying many things to many people can bisexuality to a vague freedom from info sex roles teak to my great sorrow which expunged her poem the stranger the one I just read you from 1973 from her collected poems so that one we're would never know if it's later I wrote Master why I've never met her and she answered beautifully is she in the poem have been misused by Chichi types I guess I think however that the witness that that is a stage one goes through that she to pass through I have one more example the latest issue of heresies which is entitled on women and violence I don't know. You know what it's a feminist publication has an editorial it says fish at Birth infants are assigned gender this division of all people into mutually exclusive and non-overlapping sex roles is assumed to be natural but this development is not the unfolding of some genetically print it requires learning a complex set of rules and rituals which create rather than reveal what it means to be a man or a woman in society exactly further down the page the editorial it's not the answer man expressing their female side and women expressing their male side these unchallenged Texas definitions of what is mine now you will I cope with notice the first quotation from heresies Express is androgyny as I understand it is the second does not my confusion is increased when I read it again and again at the French time it is all support bisexuality for everyone but not androgynous but of course my sexuality which was Freud's word not only retains the definitions of masculinity and femininity but reinforces the reinforces the dichotomy emphasizes it says there is this or there is that meanwhile where it matters the concept of androgyny bisexuality or whatever we choose to call it has done and is doing its work the progress in this area is what I wanted a moment to talk about the psychology of sex difference is here now over the political fate of the term not because I do not understand the objections to which which are in addition to those I have mentioned first that in the history of the energy it has been the male who assumes female aspects leaving the female to keep all the inconvenience email duties like typing in the laundry but second is Adrienne rich is pointed out to meet the media in that letter I mentioned the media has taken up androgyny in a way in which she certainly I find profound way of texting but I and I suspect she find everything the media. Pepper founded what troubles me I think is the tendency of the women's movement like full of other political movement to break into fractions would use energy attacking each other rather than a problem in the example and Ernie got to turn the sex roles which is certainly not the philosophy of those who perpetuate violence on women or even who resist we are a if we were to undermine the slavery for women in Harrington old idea of sex differences why should we begin by publicly quarreling about the term here then is how a psychologist puts it sound Revenge Pioneer work on androgyny has stimulated alternative theories and new methodology in the area of sex roles and this I am quoting now from her even if people won't become physiologically sorry even if people were always become psychologically androgynous the world would continue to consist of two sexes cuz the female typically means that you have a female body build that you have female genitalia that you have breast that you menstruate but you can become pregnant and give birth and that you can nurse child similarly being mail typically means that you have a male bodybuilder that you have male genitalia that you have beard growth that you have erections that you ejaculate and sexy and impregnate a woman and Fire by father child precisely because these are biological Givens which cannot be avoided or estate except perhaps by means a very radical and mutilating surgery it seems to me that psychological Health must necessarily include having a healthy sense of one's males or females healthy sense of maleness or femaleness little more than being able to look into the mirror and to be perfectly comfortable with the body but once he's there what the hell I'm being comfortable with one's body once gender need is no other influence on one's Behavior lifestyle that's although I would suggest that a woman what to feel comfortable about the fact that she wants to this is not implied that she ought to want to Bear children nor that she wants to stay home with any children she does by are similarly well I would suggest that a man would be comfortable about the fact that he has a penis which can become erect this in no way implies that a man want to take some more active role during sexual intercourse go even that is sexual partners or a female these wise words fans were written in 1975 do indicate how far we have come in the psychology of sex differences I want to pick up one of her minor sources except perhaps by means of very radical and being the lady because the tremendous attention given these days to transexuals by John Lawless and Renee Richards has brought the whole discussion of sex differences to a new shark definition let me review first what has been accomplished in the area which we made for now called androgyny psychological test for masculinity and femininity once almost universally employed in their place has been substituted and androgynous test so-called which attempts to measure the integration of the entire personality it will come as no surprise to anyone it was sort of these matters but those who measures the most androgynous are they also the most intelligent motion tour in the most integrated within themselves don't you think stream Anne's where it's been strongly inhibited from tender or emotional Behavior those women at the extreme ends of femininity on the scale were inhibited not only from masculine Behavior as such but from any Behavior wear the appropriate behavior is not specified likewise the psychological test for Mauro maturity once widely used we're discovered to conflate human behavior and male Behavior into the pioneer woman with male behavior is on Fannin and his female behavior is nonhuman these tests have been recognized for what they are and largely abandoned other types of being developed most important to hear of course the work is Nancy Schott Aromas be particularly mentioned there heavy halt indications are not ideally Define against each other until very recently men assumed they would Define masculine Behavior primarily is not feminine not what girls do just leaving girls passively to accept what was last which wasn't much if not most recently the phenomenon of transsexualism has given us the shortest insight into the psychology of sex differences what is obvious is that those who need to transform themselves from one sex to the other are the most committed to stereotypical sex roles those doctors who perform these mutilating operations never questioned whether it is necessary to change one body in order to change where one belongs cycle analyst like Stoller find that the source of transsexualism Lies this is the male to reconstruct the female before it lies in the mother's use of the newborn boy's penis she I'm happy as a woman uses her song Huong turn conceives of himself as a part of her feminine this entire concept of course is based on the inevitability now there have been recently to Exeland articles on this subject the first in Chrysalis number 3 By Janice Raymond is full transsexualism the ultimate homage to sex power II from which I read something in a moment isn't feminist studies volume for number 3 which is October 78 and is entitled transsexualism and when critical perspective it's fine Marsha and the second refers to the first demonstrate how the entire phenomenato transsexualism the individuals need treatment meted out is the result of defining sex roles is absolutely the same as an opposite ends of the old masculinity and femininity escape the fact that most transsexuals are mailed to reconstruct the female helps the underlined is phenomena they Rejoice after their dominant Rose's Nails in the past tivity of their female life and I want to beat you hit this is Jan Morrison this is the man of course who ran up Mount Everest sneakers as a man as a reporter. Is a woman the more I was treated as a woman the more woman I became if I was assumed to be incompetent person cars are opening bottles ugly incompetence I found my if a case was called too heavy for me inexplicably I found it so myself I wanted to find one of their marvelous indication of this but I think you get the point he says here I am not small in fact at 5 feet 9 and 133 pounds and not terribly need either but femininity conspires to make me feel so my shoes make my feet look more delicate than they are besides giving me cramps more than any other piece of clothing a suggestion of vulnerability that I rather like my red and white binders give me a racy peel my bad matches my shoes and makes me feel well organized I do not like in French Lick of paint on the front door when I walk out into the street I feel conscious me ready for the world to read praisal in a way that I never felt as a man and did he do I mean I could have been written by whatever Magazine on women pick up in the supermarket now here is Marsha. I mentioned the inevitable problem for me here is the criteria of masculinity and femininity are culturally relative subject to change and my only to be accepted unquestioningly or rejected by members of a culture so that a person's gender identities in the song you will be found up if his or her attitude was prevalent ideas of femininity and I do not consider myself particularly nor do I wish to be insensitive oneself is bologna to one biological sex or the other fix my case on the other hand most transsexuals are quite a way or the other than chose them to be biologically male if they feel themselves to be feminine won't be able to represent to express their femininity to be to be able to represent their social identity of a woman because they feel their gender one has to Define their gender identity is identification with the sex roles in one's appropriate behavior feeling preferences and someone which is incongruous with their biological sex with this difficulty of giving a consistent and more substances definition of gender identity that is the psychological counterpart of sex and sex role is truthful and not cause for despair for I think it is an index of our cultures confusion in this area and I see transsexuals his victims of that confusion victims of our society is taking sex and sex roles as the center wants private and public identity it's display Norwegians display characteristics deemed it appropriate to one's biological Sturgis only within a cultural system which insists on dichotomous X Roll Tide of the resume dichotomy of the Sexes the other characteristic expression of the transsexual prediction of the claims I am really a woman of God or I am girl or woman in a man's body equally testifies ^ sex stereotypes hiiraan have to confess that in the sense in which transsexuals use the phrase I do not feel myself to be really a woman I feel myself to be really just a person text unspecified of course I know that I am just as I know that I am 5 feet 6 inches tall have brown hair and blue eyes and 25 years old but I do not let any of those facts to find and I prefer to be in circumstances where others do not Define Me by bees physical facts I wish to end she says with an even bigger more Global question are sex roles necessary for individuals in society why or how not to away the concepts woman and man altogether or would you since to level against them the ways of identifying people like blonde teacher hippie short person West Indian other other person system of assigning a biological sex in Perth socializing the person with parallel sex-role expecting him or her to develop the Congress gender identity and is we do now providing the emergency measures transsexual surgery when the process that was hopelessly arrive and Toronto me then or whatever term you prefer is not as Rich says they precisely it seems to suggest if I'm willing enough to let the word androgyny go since I think the aunt's not the word but I think we might as well recognized that it began what is a wonderfully liberating process and that if it's fine Rich for example to that beautiful poem she is now just claimed can we not at least recognize and Raj me as a step along the path but maybe the most important and it's certainly the most revolutionary yet travel by United now that is what I have to say to which I would like just to pick up two phrases from this morning one is money vintage we should not reject any discourse and one for all whatever we do is a moment in the struggle and therefore I think it's very important that we not take absolute use against this before that but recognize that each of us is working where we are largely because of the word other people are doing other places and I think for all Mage that point very well that Americans for example with their political efforts make possible but is easy icing much more interesting address of the French feminist critics and that really is the and I suppose I might as well call it a message it is a message that I thought today is that we order to stop fighting about terminology and got on with the job which is precisely to make sex roles no longer don't understand. has anyone I meet ask about wonderful idea of a speech last year see ourselves as women not as men and women trying to be mad as not as advertised but us women but perhaps this was androgyny was a stage for her in her particular Journey but it wasn't that. I would say that I'm drawn to me is a face it is never been that in my opinion but I think it is an essential things I think one must go through math word problem with that word maybe that concept it won't it again we're witches only got no quarrel with her saying for her now there is no such word as I brought you my only quarrel with her is cutting that Commack from her Collective post so that those who wish to follow that glorious past sheet red will not now know that that was an important stages and that's all really that I would say for it I think now she is not a pathogen and I did not because of being on Executive Council and not being able to attend anything interesting to your money fitted get the MLA for example but I hear that she said we are not women and I think what she was saying is again the same saying we are not what men Define and obviously are you saying that your fee office in station I will the word doesn't seem to give me as much trouble for what may be fairly obvious reason I'm about today I found your work scale right I think that's right I just find it once and brought the concept of androgyny is that part of the rocket that falls off when you're outside gravitation because it's not needed the word is taken such a beating from feminist many fuma where they are now because someone said to them at some stage in their life if you feel like a boy inside you are as nothing wrong with you and the phrases for which is why I went on to suggest how it is not working with the with transexual I think it's clumsy and as soon as one can move Beyond one or two but when he can turn back and attacking I'd like the elders who eat their parents definition of masculine and feminine gender I don't know what I mean it's a problem in the French those French we heard today are right in the middle of it because I don't know how many if you got those that undertone but it's a real problem because if you wanted to find a woman but how are you going to decide it and what do you mean in relation to the mail language we all speak and so forth I think the poetic answer me this afternoon from Andre Lourdes pain pills but and I think her answer the woman riding a thing on friends but one can see how is that we are left with this problem inevitable a 10 excuses that at certain points if you Nationwide Eminem. Ended its useful meaning of attention and an energy that gets played out within the word itself and if that cause of death that I don't even think and that tension no my ganja I nod you know how to speak if I could arrange this I would get down but yes I do think that women who become holy women identified move into a lesbian world as Rich whoever was that dude probably do not find their strengths from that consulate they finds their strengths from their own strength and other women and I think that is is the way they have to go that's all and that's why for her forever Andre and Rich this is not the answer into some people put those of us who remain in the heterosexual I think that's them there is something about that conflict which is strength I'm not thought of it that way I think you are Tracy and his men do expanded throwing up that it's come from what I've heard from then of course most of the man wouldn't know what the word meant to speak to me anyway because I'm not on the baby do I do hear from by Nao and other things they the freedom they felt to move into nurturing and intervention this week has been ignoring and I saw that they did not find the word as the unhappiest women babe and I think probably because many of those would be putting which will check to make sure it's great ejected women take over male slaves let me just stay here as a footnote that I think it's very interesting however that it's always women I hear objecting to a woman and androgynous figure with both of the mail things and nobody notices easy finger foods not amazing stand in the same place as someone else before very very cute WeatherTech we have the special full album when I work when I work at 5:00 I called you very clearly wants the social worker said they weren't the nurses that they weren't somebody else and we weren't sing with the field at somebody could stand in your stool for that you weren't part of their attention when we acknowledge what we think comes we are internment that men are on purple Macy women in Wauconda IL area and women when men begin close to face the outer reaches which may be reduced to charge your phone at 2 in the mirror and saying yes I have left no beard yes. Attorney androgyny is setting up until just as a word is supposed to say, Indiana tears is setting up OK mail for a Singapore mi tienda turn that may be part of the problem besides which why don't we say. Why couldn't you couldn't tell me when it's 9 a.m. so we could call it Rodger but getting to the concert was really doing it's saying this is a Humanity find McKenzie's human being and what do that but if women are going to do that thing everyone be women first and Human Being II it would just play my what we're trying to say is how we have like you're more alike than different how many of these structures are socially imposed openness. Where they live why women left not because it isn't in the human capacity of a sexist to me either because I have been channeled into and where I think we shouldn't talk and get the Way You Are what do we have if we have different well by the ones band stated I think American Indians do not have ears it's not a male secondary sex characteristic among my proven fact that they are in some and not other races with people which is it going to rain interesting fact the one of the thing I'd like to hear some of mine because what worries me and which we had a good deal of today and very interesting way is that if women and I was going to say we withdraw we are with this is where we are this is our turf this is femaleness this is what it's like when you give birth and so forth is that something that is going to help women too political and other kinds fullness of representation not a question that I find I asked you to pull it it's one of the Friendship beginning to ask and I don't know what the answer is. That's one of the things I like power off I shouldn't use her known to Paris Bowser know I'm the husband Jeanette no no I meant I'm trying to get her first name as I thought of that. I'm sorry I can't remember gather yourself together estimate outside but identity and then moving from the outside to change the end but that the gathering together and achieving identity together as women and individually as Ben isn't stage yes in the on the process for changing if I didn't I didn't hear that that was what you want in fact but that Siri is real book drawing I'd like to know if that's true that one Kettering why not live action weather the generation Theory it's why I wanted to speak about the problems the time has passed and the tremendous eyes are itchy both because I think we all in our various ways to reach other that is after being rich with a lot of dress groups are women's groups and Shinto for but what she does in the strength she time is intern given to me for instance who talk to men Scripts that is not going to cuz it been since what I mean next week and what is troubling me in these this phraseology is he was not fight one another when is recognized that we're all doing what we're doing we're would doing it and that is why I spend some time on this when I was asked to give this Workshop I was pulled up by someone who said we're trying to find somebody to talk and I think of a few teeth on when she said I don't suppose you to leave androgyny is okay for people who place that you know that is that is really the same time video of working with men where we going if we change the level of discourse back the change in that world much more than been thinking big concern. You with roaring engaged to go out there for the rights to socialist everything movie with Gloria that is female well II have to get over my email back from work it's packed the woman was never invented best drone volume 11% don't believe it you've got to believe in the power of God that's why we're all in this room in this building on his tablet and ideas and they spread out this is one of the most important books I think that has been letting you know just as bad as mine but I chose not only what you said she shows that the family is sacred family is not capable either of sustaining itself that is that the current form of the family is self-destructive and that the family is held can only possibly continue if it is made some effort if it is taken away from its sexual from sex-role with the mother doing well in other words that you must have totally symmetrical mothering I thought it was lovely. more match Manor after all have their name to make entertainment Irwin and she has the right so that's not a specialist in my field would feel she knew their language I'll see the sociologist but she has used to feel the cycling out total very well and she heard the right is not charging because she's got to make his pension though I think it's accessible imaginative metaphoric but it's very exciting as many people I know the first insight into the same question that were all where we are now because we had female nurturers and the mail the mermaid also Dorothy dentist I made myself sick incidentally Contraband again I never met I was just admiring his heard of but even though the psych this field of psychology accepted her own faculties it I mean they can consider working androgyny worthy of masculinity and femininity scale block g-block dichotomy in this country was greater than any other civilized country that we work harder to masculinize little boy and I think they were ready for the media has matter I think it happened to coincide with unisex dressing with that whole bit which was just the meat is meat and in a way that was too bad can you get a really think idea to them and I think that's where the trouble anyone can understand maybe it was because women be counted on not the bomb not to bond not to support each other not to bring all the rules to become insurance and I think if women could learn the support of a wish I'm to bring all the women with the co-op in the seat to be it was Batman they could count on every I was like a jewel getting into a gentile club would you like to meet Pet Supply do you know who I am very politically let's not just stand around saying what kind of absolutely you know the refusal now with man to move at the companies that had Danny we're leaving their wife and her job her friends are children isn't working anymore I mean the men aren't going to do it cuz it's what I think we should just stay in your body Friday's Middletown New York we had this exact because we had women outside publishing around. NYC book signings and Getty we also had to be women are in the yard have moved within the same time as you're outside yes show current audiobook understanding for gender roles now that would be that's that's that's the thing I was referring to cuz I just meant I mentioned that whole realization of them people met a healthy person they met a man to a woman pussy be healthy you know the one good thing that came out of the Vietnam War really is that a lot of men to avoid the drive started teaching Nursery School and for the first time these kids have male teachers and nurturers and a lot of them times they like and it gets it it changed a good deal. That's not holding butt to a great extent Jefferson lab contact Medicare Rodney is legendary wait for it already results. YouTube that's not my experience and in books Whitman and that I didn't I mean I mean which I just want to keep it going for the one coming along the path but I suspect would I say something that would be encouraging about the way Georgia and your book has helped I would like to say that a literary critic is also the fact that great people are obviously going to be both women and men of the same time if they're great creative writers they have to have to collect them and so I would like to see that it is 1/2 even the tension between male and female nor is it 72 and vagina is a biscuit Jackie has those elements we might have to continue this kind of analysis someone has I wanted to get up and yell purse this afternoon when they said you have to be a biological female to write of course this bench for me right with writer who has done the semiotic Freddy's wolf without question but Kroos is there and she certainly has great influence I think things filters realism that is but it was when she said that we must put aside the word of God and Plum objects are dog in his face and I was seeing women old Greek male Polar Express I think Trump is trying to sound like you like to shoot and I know I is the other and anyway and I will whistle Jonquil adjustable Memphis dining room table just DOC inmate search indeed in August find a woman for a tennis match that's right like I do want to add go to the addition to androgyny which doesn't anymore want longer wants to wear Humanity and which does not have Lexie Braxton's to what she wants his woman she wants to say I Am Woman and that is all Humanity when I say it and I think that's of course in the end what we have to say I would just like to say that to me ways of making you wait ring bring it we have not explored we have not explored now the first one block questions a beta that you may know because people get involved in society to go on to something else would we want to go on do you know what when we're supposed to go on to the floor before surgery talked Maybe I don't want to keep both of you are doing here if we set it all over if you want to talk and small groups or what if there are any other I'll stay till 4:30 my experience with beta is that people positive and I think what's her name revland all of the date of the town's children of working mothers were much healthier for your children is not working mothers the Venus house if you you go and look for something you can use your voice another we need that you believe we get into this suspicion I don't know where the block is white the only person turns into sex relation to say to see some meeting to really sign and it's held up over the years and it comes up because it had no idea The Killing rotten Famous Pizza