Unknown Speaker 00:05 able younger because we're Unknown Speaker 00:15 starting today play the history and then have meetings Unknown Speaker 00:36 about one they have an issue but then when I finally get the address Unknown Speaker 01:10 part of what Unknown Speaker 01:12 we spoke about philosophy that was different than the feminist one liberal liberal system anyone have those kinds of words and that automatically just wind up so I think that's another part of this process Unknown Speaker 02:26 over time I'm still evolving I want to be more sensitive to stories about those things illustrates some of the issues I struggle to Unknown Speaker 02:48 focus on the first is a story what I appreciate the time that the story might have talks took place my beginning this research is collective and I had discovered by reading are a series of minutes pretty much also referred to as a study data want to go back to Unknown Speaker 03:40 so many accounts what continued to live Unknown Speaker 04:07 but there were still some people left and there were people there from there was a new way was number 28 I did find somebody who represents Unknown Speaker 04:44 two or three years Unknown Speaker 04:49 that are expecting people to be very leaving their chance to talk about their stories as they are not Unknown Speaker 05:08 And what I found the most and I spend a lot of time and finally realize that all these people are coming to tell me something Unknown Speaker 05:33 that I hadn't come Unknown Speaker 05:37 from it was a long time for a while he was younger, you know any better. You're one of the four founders in Unknown Speaker 06:00 my group was going to live in town Unknown Speaker 06:08 and close the door spill and what I learned from that was, on one night, something about Unknown Speaker 06:30 about little bits and pieces. But mainly what I got into a lot of these so that was what I learned from that it was four years and I hadn't got the solution. But it raised hands was going on with a series of questions for me. You don't have a right Unknown Speaker 07:07 even to try to find out. Unknown Speaker 07:11 Once I realized that what I was doing here, then I started to think what why do I have to ask? Because that was one of the not so much here Unknown Speaker 07:29 can we as researchers, so we ask people to tell their claim story? Other side of the question? Well, I guess there are a number of different possibilities. I think what happened is a whole lot of ideas about why this group of people didn't want to share. And a lot of some of the problems is that they do, they also do not share because these people, Unknown Speaker 08:29 many of them have been Unknown Speaker 08:32 more paranoid, or have totally lost any connection with there was a closer area where you're pregnant. Or those people who have spiritual experiences I don't really know. I did not get that response from people elsewhere. But some people that I trained to, because they will Unknown Speaker 09:00 end up writing things out that Unknown Speaker 09:04 isolation. Unknown Speaker 09:09 And the other piece of it, as the scholar has pointed out to me, many of these people after the war became they went toe to toe with the brands, whether they have the children Unknown Speaker 09:38 either if they're living in Spain, they couldn't even talk to children. And so they were denied their history. And I think for some of the ways that we deny that history. So long we can go without the kind of story Unknown Speaker 09:59 until If you want to come to this kind of a presence then this is a very dramatic ending anything that causes the other story on coffee this interview Unknown Speaker 10:45 the first story was United Way's Unknown Speaker 10:46 representatives not typical French she was someone who grew up in a world outside and actually very very conservative the father was a scraping Unknown Speaker 11:09 father he died when she was when she was 14 He moved to Barcelona Unknown Speaker 11:23 having to spend my life studying that series of jobs better than public organizations describing your life you said was an incredible life and life dedicated struggle not only society is characterized by kind of Unknown Speaker 12:04 mushy spoken discourse is exactly the opposite tremendous excitement and desire to share that story we talked about quite a number of hours over the course of two days first started with that not sure what the difference what difference in that village thing I want to mention here is that the first case of the case of virtually all the other people that I met my political commitments were crucial to being able to do this work Unknown Speaker 13:02 they needed to if they asked Unknown Speaker 13:03 where I stood there was a sense of a bond between us which is what could I not have that almost so, you shared something to tell her about what was going on solid actually anyway, so, both the connections that we have with one another and the differences between our watch of course, became very clear with this process and two things that she said well one thing she said to me something I didn't like her. Later, I was worried again brought up some difficulties one was she was discussing the role as Americans in response to what they did and she was wonderful when she had a gun tutorial but she showed me so there was a lot of fighting on Saturday showed me scarred by bullets. And she said Unknown Speaker 14:48 that people think sick and I thought Unknown Speaker 14:53 we were in a different world. And I thought about it You know, that sense of the difference between our lives. The other piece of that, which, which again from yesterday was that this was gonna be the third or fourth day and I was talking with her talk a lot about various content providers enjoy. And it became clear that she was in America and she was working there, one of the 13 women that would get remarried. And I realized that I wanted to ask her, who is this, your baby wife gave some comments about how you like to be free to be involved, instead of focusing on one, but I wanted to push her more on that. And I realized that because I had somehow passed over the boundary for being an interviewer. And I now felt that we were somehow friends. But I didn't know her well enough to ask that kind of question. So I couldn't I couldn't do the work in the way that I thought I asked the question or a series of questions that I might have asked her and I've had this issue but the loss of that could get for wondering that there are limits to it. But what I felt was very difficult to understand anyway, so that raised for me, the whole series of questions about why am I studying rich people whose story one I conducted as I mentioned, I took the summer winter spring and summer I couldn't get back to Spain to do until the summer of 1981. And I wonder I mean we'll get back to July is a crazy time why did why did you come back then I realized I had felt compelled to I knew that and what I discovered while I'm there, that I was going back there for me as much as to get more because they had become people that I was interviewing with in this process. Unknown Speaker 18:24 They have become blind Unknown Speaker 18:27 they were the people as opposed to my colleagues Unknown Speaker 18:32 who recognize that I Unknown Speaker 18:36 I had an interest in what is what what your life has been about beyond simply things like that somehow another post political commitment, which I've shared with them in the wild, and they could understand that but very few of mine here at that time were valuable to me, that it was a public school and to realize that I'm doing this work when you're trying to tell the stories both for them and for them, because the social revolution as a whole has been unfortunately lost with the kinds of things that need to evolve, and in particular the role of organizations Unknown Speaker 19:50 fortunately so that their stories will not continue to do Last next the complicated but I'm also writing for us feminist leftists are generally people interested in social change in particular. Because I think they have to learn Unknown Speaker 20:21 about that process. There are two aspects of their lives. One has to do with the process of accounting they saw and they acted as the focus of any meaningful or social empowerment coming across through communities of people support networks, cultural work, they saw their literacy campaigns now recognize that people feel disempowered by another person step along the way to literacy work to help people Unknown Speaker 21:28 understanding and being healthy sexuality Unknown Speaker 21:31 workshops, information about childcare and apprenticeship groups for women to meet before you can understand your voices in public is So, John it was all purpose there was Unknown Speaker 22:04 to let people get in touch with them I can tell you Unknown Speaker 22:11 that was the that was the purpose of the organization and they also had coming together to focus on direct action participation, a recognition of empowerment, consciousness raising consciousness change comes from taking part in creating Unknown Speaker 22:32 we make things other than doing what we do consistently. General the more I see not just that these things work Unknown Speaker 23:01 these things work for them. And we can learn from that. But the more I look at that, the more I realize, that is what we are doing. This is our story as well as theirs. This is what the large part contemporary that time of empowerment, consciousness raising capital, whatever it Unknown Speaker 23:27 is that depending on Unknown Speaker 23:29 the action, we are demonstrating all we are all designed to get in touch with our own power to do things, taking an hour and doing things differently. telling you stories. And I've come to see that learning is telling their story. We better see our story. Other people like Unknown Speaker 24:00 one danger, I suppose Unknown Speaker 24:01 a contaminated reading back to our school. There's something but I think it also points out for that, to me, the the significance of the feminist Unknown Speaker 24:22 community to Unknown Speaker 24:24 recognize from ourselves which they emphasize, as well, the community is important. But the other piece, I think, is the community that builds across generations across historical context by recognizing that there is a larger process in the center of which we are, apart, different places empower us Unknown Speaker 25:00 We. Are if I have to I have to be when I'm in pain Unknown Speaker 25:43 I this is going to be particularly the first somebody who Unknown Speaker 25:48 joins many mobile has Unknown Speaker 25:51 gone up, I am flying ultimately to different kinds of field experiences. I am an Unknown Speaker 25:57 anthropologist and you will not learn very much so about the field affected that you get to have I wanted to let me let me race on and if you have questions when there is no need, or so, discuss the interest that installs enough to propel your history, especially from the earliest days of the contemporary central claim that historians know her stories, books and articles about the title. We have archives together presents creative expressions and experiences to the question posed by this was who's telling the story? And the answer is we did not tell them they're asked because they have not been told before. And there are many different stories from different working class women of color white a culture where almost nobody. And we've done this alone. With the recognition social history that Game of Thrones of history, or obesity has established itself as a respectable way to record the lives of ordinary people who are complicated so prominently as Unknown Speaker 27:38 some have lost patience with the day by the way. We tend to prefer what voters take the case of the healer or the wife who tells her story and everything I'm not going to be asking the kids in the 97 today people still interested in central probably look to the anthropologist who's blamed historical Joseph problems have lived in minus two centuries. We don't want to bother with them. And firstly, they do believe a woman will have this illness and then we're gonna kill him and then we invited her to Mexico City. But then when we have a problem, and the labor movement naturally has to do with why these changes are going on joining us as well. Perhaps, certainly. All history is pretty representative for our game when we let them Unknown Speaker 29:16 if you wanted to, although many of us involved Unknown Speaker 29:23 in history, have been concerned about the exercise for a number of years. Among the most important attempts in recent months to open up is your need. For paper on my computer, it's going to be Unknown Speaker 29:40 discussion later, Unknown Speaker 29:41 when an outcast considerations research will be published in Science because explain what it is. Okay. In this piece Joan challenges your own undertaking a curriculum is built to survive as scheduled through different screens to identify the way they were able to get support and assistance to launch this campaign. John began to question the political implications of the campaign without realizing his cultural feminism has led her to make some troubling assumptions. Unknown Speaker 30:20 I seem to be saying Unknown Speaker 30:22 great abuse the murder of babies inside exploitation situations Moses child farming in spite of everything ugly and disgusting. With the bombing was limited and it wasn't the bond between them Unknown Speaker 30:38 the care of isolation and get manifested to have to be friendships. What else happened? To talk about friendship for a while to remind us, even to the seats of crucial conference, they have nothing to do at this point, woman centered perspective and Unknown Speaker 31:05 the question is what Unknown Speaker 31:09 do men suggest instead of questions which will help us break down the dangerous alliances between trying to understand the question and needing to develop on Sprint's into question