Unknown Speaker 00:02 You know, at weaning up there, so to speak. Now one of the things most upsetting to me, I think of the children. And, I mean, I know this was a product, you know, that was the focus of the film, but the children themselves and what is happening now, like live in two different worlds and the problems that are arising, no one is meeting, you know, those needs at all. And I know he has too long history in the last five vote, which there have been three rapes in these 12 year old girls that have been raped, you know, in the project area, what I'm trying to say is, is that the question of sexuality is, as you brought out, it's never spoken of in the home, they have all these questions no one needs at all as to what is happening not only between gender, you know, that question, but even between why your parents act the way they are, what why American culture is promoting this kind of life in their pool. Totally. I wish somebody would say something about the job. Unknown Speaker 01:14 First of all, to divide the issue because to connect race and sexuality in one sense, I took a series of gestures to raise the profile next Unknown Speaker 01:22 well to deal with I actually was to default on my part I'm trying to get most people could have bring up a question. No, absolutely. I agree with you. I was just trying to say that I know a lot of children's to ask you questions about sexuality and even gender one of the boys won't work and one of the boys do such and such and you can't you know, kind of thing. As far as gender is concerned, and you know, sexuality, or why, you know, like Jaime, she's a young, young, what kind is 12 and she has been here from Hong Kong for six months. And why can I take off my shirt on the playground? Like the boys do? Very simple questions. And he was like, she just got she just began her theory, like, a month ago. And the question of sexuality no one has ever answered those. What who she is a woman. And she is just She's totally Yeah, she's just full of questions. And her mother woman and I mean yeah, there's just no communication because I feel this is just my intuition living with a family and it's just it's just and I think with children it's a way to begin Oh, no, but that is just my own personal experience instances where the curls series I saw one Yeah, and I can't remember which one Unknown Speaker 02:51 issue goes to my the the theme of one of our other films which is Chinese children street railway Unknown Speaker 03:05 Well, this is a pipe production Unknown Speaker 03:14 I guess we focused on two Chinese American features. We're trying to do something but you're trying to provide a history for the students to identify with fill in the gaps Unknown Speaker 03:36 because one of the things besides the children well, when I did something I should Okay, when I would volunteer teaching English at CDC about three years ago that was right when a lot when they were just beginning Unknown Speaker 03:58 and of course, they were very curious as to what it was to be in America. I noticed really within the short period I was there they were trying to you know reject everything has to be ancient to try to put on this mask and I think that was one of the things I tried the babbling on anthropologist was to tell you know, you shouldn't lose your Unknown Speaker 04:23 dishes. And these were these were people between the ages I guess. It was clerical jobs. It was adult division. But I think that's a question that was brought up. Unknown Speaker 04:59 Right But going forward to your question about it being in that minority particularly with respect to him and why this this is perpetually I know what you're what you're saying about Unknown Speaker 05:12 the rebellion the formation of the activist shoots didn't really Unknown Speaker 05:17 occur to me introduces me to population but since you did start so nicely with the fact that I'm going to why why nervousness continue to see Unknown Speaker 05:31 Asians as well what am I what am I Unknown Speaker 05:46 doing and one of the reasons I've talked about this stuff and then we're definitely changing so Chris You don't have Unknown Speaker 06:13 to Chinese Unknown Speaker 06:18 social structure and social structures Unknown Speaker 06:25 are pretty much in control Unknown Speaker 06:32 so women's provinces dealt with and it's only very recent time so instead what before it was very much workload you have Unknown Speaker 06:56 women in sweatshops tremendous highs in Turkey and you don't see that Unknown Speaker 07:05 magic this situation so you have the agents and of course we could just Unknown Speaker 07:22 go to concentration Unknown Speaker 07:25 so what was over they didn't want to create any situation where they just double the charges can tell from the Japanese Americans have lost their culture Unknown Speaker 07:55 much more than China historic sexuality children teaching high school, which has a very high advisor advisor system is Chinese Taiwan because she knows that she can resolve She's a junior in high school. And she is the model student at risk assessments for high school she is always in fact, teachers as her game rules, how to get student awards, she always just apparently upset that she's like, what all the other kids like regular nobody. She's and she was all the tears when she was doing the conference. The students lot of our discussion issues coming up like SOPs and leadership is very similar to what happened when she's talking about how, how society and culture Chinese culture breaking apart. It's really talking to the students. More so than I have seen with our students. theoretical questions are what makes his business concept different My closest students her mother picks her up from school at 350 and go anywhere with that she can go she can she can go because her mother is watching she's expected to take on responsibility and the mother actually is the mother was the first one and she know our money and then the rest of the family father first as far as discussion about sexuality she's not interested she's there's no discussion about sexuality. She's the only Chinese High School and apparently she does not have any Chinese community. She's now isolated her sister city. And she's doing she's she's has a terrible time you spend all day in school with my grandparents and then going on, not been allowed to associate. And she has pictures of my sister's children, whenever her parents needed extra family business, and she wants to get a summer job, which was good experience. And you have all these excuses. We also just want to call up the business called logs after two minutes worth of stress, too much responsibility. Unknown Speaker 11:45 It's just real Richard Unknown Speaker 11:49 Feldman morning, which is, which is extremely, Unknown Speaker 11:52 I just wanted to say something. I really enjoyed seeing the film and I was crying through parts of it. Very familiar. I was born in Japan. And I identify with some of the experiences. But I think the problem is that when you're talking about Asian, there's so many distinct countries and a lot of the things of a foreign to me, I grew up feeling very comfortable with my sexuality. And I think in a lot of ways, I find advantages to growing up in a Japanese home. I think that's also the case over in America at home. Very close to my family. I was encouraged in a lot of ways. And it was really funny, like, first college that I went to the off the course and it's called non western civilization. And Unknown Speaker 13:02 when I teach, Unknown Speaker 13:04 it's, I don't know, there's just like, for me, or even though I was born in Japan, I've been to Japan a couple of times, I think I know something about Japan, but I would never claim to I'd probably I'd say it and I know a lot more about the United States and Japan and barely know anything about China, but in other Asian, Southeast Asian countries, and when people lump Asian together it's just too ignorant. mericans teach Unknown Speaker 13:41 American history that said, I can recall a college course that just dealt with the Middle East Unknown Speaker 13:48 for so long, and how little of the basics, and all these students. Americans are new. Unknown Speaker 13:58 And I scratch my head. And I said, you know, Unknown Speaker 14:00 I've been in school now. X number of years and Unknown Speaker 14:04 I don't think I've ever had of course Unknown Speaker 14:12 it's just this narrow minded question. Unknown Speaker 14:14 The problem a lot of times I think, you know, I, I sympathize with the women's movement, but I think a lot of times, just from not knowing Asian history, say Asian culture. They speak about the Asian, Asian women, black women, Puerto Ricans, from a Western perspective, from American perspective, and they don't when they say submissive or authoritarian, and it has a different meaning in the context of that culture. Unknown Speaker 14:47 I think another thing too, one of the things that fascinated me was that my experience has been And I grew up in a context where the Japanese were not a minority. That's my social environment. And so the kinds of battles I was fighting different perhaps generational lines, but when I went away to college well one of the reasons for high school for the first time, it was an Anglo high school founded for missionary children. And it's gonna help to really and I guess that was the first time that I, I had to confront the situation being the other and then going away to college and Unknown Speaker 15:45 living the whole experience of being the other thing a minority look at by others, sometimes the suspicion sometimes patronizing communities, sometimes rarely as people it's, you know, it brings up so many complex kinds of issues that we make and one of the things that fascinates me is the situation is something that has not been brought up this afternoon. that fascinates me think a lot of people nowadays especially into ethnic marriages Unknown Speaker 16:38 because there are a lot of families Unknown Speaker 16:45 and I have to apply and the question is, you know, one of the things about being classified as the other side what happens often and I've seen you know, grandchildren who are one floor jackin seven times and the field type is almost totally lost by that time if it says three quarters or five you can't see the Chinese offenses longer and the question then arises to 34 gets into all kinds of different issues I'm not sure that I want to but I wonder whether in your groups or in your experiences those some of them related to that I think are fairly contemporary people who are looking at it from the outside that was the first time what do you do Unknown Speaker 18:52 that's what the brothers Unknown Speaker 18:53 do. Day so I think those are issues of concern used to be taught the ratio of one Unknown Speaker 19:48 to work with Chinese women quite a bit cuz I didn't go to school because you know Japanese boys cans of Coke Unknown Speaker 20:18 I think that's a concern Unknown Speaker 20:27 that many cultures are concerned about Unknown Speaker 20:57 is very, very strong it's gotten better in fact we went through very shaky years Unknown Speaker 21:04 you know between the time when I left for college and college but I look around me and I'm really appalled at the kinds of relationships that I see friends Unknown Speaker 21:24 and I've gone through some some I'm extremely close to my mother know there was there was this kind of pressure that was more suffering and than anything else to try to marry with mine but once I told them I didn't know how how they would react in fact getting married to me I never felt any major resistance. I didn't get any kind of parental advice. I mean Unknown Speaker 22:08 do you have any older brothers? No brothers because I have an older brother for my parents it matters to them with their oldest son now is Unknown Speaker 22:18 was a great way to just to grow up and no boy and no one carry on the family any more maybe Unknown Speaker 22:35 how you feel Unknown Speaker 22:41 and there's a lot of doing this Unknown Speaker 22:45 in my case I've Unknown Speaker 22:49 got not experienced that kind of rage my kids Unknown Speaker 23:00 my mother's old university Unknown Speaker 23:08 and my understanding again somehow Unknown Speaker 23:18 it's dominated by Unknown Speaker 23:21 in these cases Unknown Speaker 23:26 the culture doesn't even do it culture dictates parents Unknown Speaker 23:31 words and that's it was Unknown Speaker 23:44 no boy kills his teacher as Unknown Speaker 23:50 if it comes into Unknown Speaker 23:55 your life Well, certainly all their aspirations, the psychological, the channel, education for the girls, not because I had Unknown Speaker 24:12 a life. I didn't know. But my parents Yeah, one of the things that Unknown Speaker 24:22 struck me initially was speaking something about the sense of history and particularly the Japanese and Chinese people as the conditions country. And I've recently worked in a coalition to sort of like come to know about them and sort of like trying to look at the history and the things that sound annoying that you mentioned to us. The history of people as they came, which is critical. We're not alone here in this country. We was the Chinese in that separation for so many years. We're both in We all have what kind of message that sort of weaves through the way you react. You talked about families that's going away because of that separation. And then when the Japanese have the concentration camps, if something's I wonder what the different experience was more repeatable, Korean people coming in, because it seems that it's great, why open doors in America and also gives all these conscious for people that are trying to come in, in different kinds of ways. And discuss something is something that happens with the vibration here. Is Unknown Speaker 25:41 that true also, Unknown Speaker 25:43 when you go to other countries, for instance, and similar to the European Western European countries, on the same kinds of problems, they're assimilating into the culture. It seems something is meeting that American political twist on it, when you're coming into this particular country's True, true, also the language and the medical cultures, Unknown Speaker 26:16 I can comment on that just briefly, I lived in Europe for three years. And I felt that it was hard for Americans to be accepted. Unknown Speaker 26:25 In Switzerland Unknown Speaker 26:29 for subtle ways, I mean, I didn't know what it would be like to apply with a large migration, which will stay there. It seemed like it was different. Unknown Speaker 26:40 But it seems that I spent time in France, which can be repeated many times the very basis in this society was one particular group like Switzerland. And although there may be more than French climate was in the south in July, through more than this group, distinct feelings about the people the kind of different way we feel in the local, like different people throw themselves that the basis of the whole thing was identifying very strong nationals. And that was a very different kind of place. And it's made up of many more different kinds of people that make up that culture. So I expect more of an openness to the people that come here. It shouldn't, it shouldn't seemingly have to be as closed as because the very basis is made up of so many different groups. It's not as nationalistic being one way one language, one particular history, it's a very mixed history of many groups, again, seems to put barriers up for certain particular groups. Unknown Speaker 28:07 Because why may not have strong national debt, element money Unknown Speaker 28:12 could be subject to when the early Chinese laborers were useful to the economy. They were welcomed in the sense that they were hired at first gay marriage contract workers. Unknown Speaker 28:25 But this is their and this goes back to your question earlier, isn't there a positive side to this whole picture of stereotyping that really hasn't been mentioned very much of it, stereotypes afflict us in all kinds of ways and we tend to think of stereotypes as those negative boxes into which we are pushed. But it seems to me among the stereotypes of of Asians in America is that Asians are economically autonomous. Unknown Speaker 28:55 Clever, as, Unknown Speaker 28:57 as merchants and businessmen that Asians are like two nations are, are very serious about education and successful education nations good soft tissues, and with extraordinary proportion of Nobel Prizes is in relation to their motivation for doing this. Unknown Speaker 29:18 That's not true. So when you have that kind of, like, for example, when somebody mentioned this was Unknown Speaker 29:25 another another one of these things true, but on top of that, Unknown Speaker 29:29 because you are all the time when I'm talking, I have Asian students, straight A student and she just might be what are so many ignore the rest ignore that Unknown Speaker 29:41 suffers from an expectation there Unknown Speaker 29:47 is also a difference between, say, Chinese and Japanese and Koreans who are from those other countries. come to school here. And you know, ciao I use American Japanese Americans, for example, I'm from Boston. And I would say the majority of the Japanese there are sons and daughters of doctors, and professional people. And you know, those are the positive people that are looked at as the model minority to good students when they come from a higher bracket. But you know, there are a lot of Chinese garment workers also. Unknown Speaker 30:26 The point the point I wanted to make was Unknown Speaker 30:28 that I actually accept what you said that the good stereotype the high expectation, Unknown Speaker 30:33 there's a good stereotype Unknown Speaker 30:35 that you have to pick up the thing, right, it's very interesting last couple of days ago, Article Travis Scott, about Asian students in the University of California system and one of the problems that students were complaining about was that they were all the way to Peterson because it's their article, I suppose, Unknown Speaker 30:55 just the wording in that article. It's Unknown Speaker 30:57 also very Unknown Speaker 30:59 Oh, I have another question. It's directly to anybody who's been exposed to academic or graduate student in Japanese. And one of the things that I've always wondered about in the department at Columbia the only agents who teach in this part my Unknown Speaker 31:25 teachers and teaching assistants and and everything else we need to talk about like men in touch my professor and everybody wondering what kind of experience 101 long tradition length it's also when it's the cultural imperialism, that effects is a strong result taught by Unknown Speaker 31:51 what American teachers Unknown Speaker 32:01 many of our students sometimes Unknown Speaker 32:07 do these people go home with a whisper Unknown Speaker 32:23 and they feel powerless. Unknown Speaker 32:27 Frequently of people Unknown Speaker 32:28 want to shoot champions, of course, do that because you're so special Unknown Speaker 32:40 community for not being able to break into the Unknown Speaker 32:45 Russian Literature Department. Unknown Speaker 32:50 Also use every single scholar of Asia plus to use double work for Unknown Speaker 33:08 somebody like Aisha Unknown Speaker 33:12 say, acquire Unknown Speaker 33:15 competence to choose another one. So I will Unknown Speaker 33:26 get to full on how to force you have Unknown Speaker 33:29 to take Tobin's Q structure and shove it down to the dream of rich. You just you have no choice but to play. Jesus. Unknown Speaker 33:45 You got a name and study association meeting in Toronto. You see the crowd? Oh, it's a female. Unknown Speaker 33:56 Even here in Colombia. I know, for instance, that the prejudice against scholars I know personally to people that were young when they came over and when I went to graduate school, I went to undergraduate school. They both Chinese went to undergraduate school in February to go on to undergrad interactive experiences, which they did. But when it came down to orals, a PhD, they were just they were just you know, fail. Because this nonprofit now, nearly, I'm talking how you are 60. Now what is appalling to me is they just did not want that level to this was okay, just finish this point. So what has happened, though, in the last year, they've contacted both these people have often pressed to come back because they're pleased just because of inflation. I mean, and because of that families were who have some political power in time. On. It's just an interesting point Unknown Speaker 35:08 I think as long as stereotypes are bought Chinese, Asian Americans are not in the high position. They don't need to go so far. They're good into certain things, especially technical fields in management, you know that they are kids with problems that we do need. Money was social to help alleviate all of these issues. So no, thank you