Unknown Speaker  00:02
In the 70s now you get a lot of subtlety. Yeah, what are you gonna do with it take to the one with the Barna woman is that I think that in the 70s and mornings more seriously, though, like television is the best barometer, it's the best therapy in the world if you really just want to just get everything off. Everything that's awful watch TV, and I watched a lot of it. And the kinds of things that happen in terms of women. No, I've not. I've not I've heard some things about it. But I've not seen it even one joke, so maybe you want to comment on that. But I think what I saw was that so I've not seen it have been had I seen all the glitters, the sexual, the weird thing? I'm not, I've seen some of his other things that I think are very poorly done. In terms of women and other minorities. However, I've not seen this one I wish I had I wish I knew you're gonna be here today. I've made a point. I see you. I'm coming. But I think that, that that is true, but I do not feel that the incorporation. Okay, the gut feeling is Oh, my goodness, racism is more important. I think that people very much want to say, what about me not realizing that me is locked into racism? You see, white women consistently come up with Oh, my God, what about me? None of the thing that means racism to you see? That's and that's all I'm saying. But I certainly agree with you that societally racism is seen as seen as a more serious issue. Yes, the notion

Unknown Speaker  01:50
that just change the statement, and I'll make it clear, was brought home to me when I was explaining to a black man, that's personal decisions to make or attribute to me about karma was

Unknown Speaker  02:01
saying, but those blacks don't want those jobs. They never wanted them. Two years later, there was send the women don't want some point out to him. Or you to do a scratch on one and replace it with the others saying he was really impressed.

Unknown Speaker  02:15
precisely the same thing that was very much helps responsibility. They didn't want the hard job. I try when you're dealing with people, there's nothing foolproof, there's no magic wand, but that certainly helps. That's certainly an that's a good example. Yes.

Unknown Speaker  02:34
I teach. I do try to go into this whole thing of racism and sexism. But I find that many of the black women identify much more with the race, sex problem, and like many of them, maybe swipe exposure, and they often look at the inside to the effect. This is still awake.

Unknown Speaker  03:01
Yeah. Yeah, I think that, that I touched on that. And I mean, we can certainly deal with it in more depth. But I think that that is part of the acculturation the black woman, the black woman has always been seen as the bitch, the Sapphire, the castrator. The Big Mama. Well, they've we've had so yeah, the view that it's acculturation I mean, you know, there's some strange notion going around that the black woman don't get adulterated with everybody else. And we do, you know, I mean, we, you know, there's no special materials for us. And, and we buy the same dream. And I think that that one of the bad the pity parts of is this, what I was saying is that we are thought of as part of the, we're, we're seen as the oppressor, and not as part of the oppressed. Okay, and we were on we tend to wear a lot of guilt around them. That's what I was saying before. And I think that when you when you talk about liberation, liberty, that's, it's a misnomer. Liberation has to do with choice. Liberation does not deal with necessity, the black woman has been out there because she has had to be out there. The other piece to that is that when you look at the institutions, even in the black community, the black woman has had very little to do with them, um, in terms of decision making now, I mean, I came up in the church. So now see, I preach along with the best of them, and and know the church backward and forward. I was in there on Sunday morning, at in the summertime. 830 Because we have pre Sunday school because wasn't school fee, and then on the during the thing, it was 10 and then went to church 11 And then had their Ursus board D. You know, the ushers, and blah, okay. Right in the fellowship, the whole thing and we brew my entire childhood, which sure women fried the fish and bought the Cadillacs and kept the building fund going, but when It came to where that building was going to be built and how many windows were gonna be in the front, we now have a thing to say about that. Not nothing to say about that. When when it came to and only the reason I single out for churches, because that is one of our strongest institutions. And still is, even though it is certainly waning, along with many other religious institutions in the greater society, it is waning. But when we look at an institution, a black controlled institution in the black community, the church is probably the one that looms the largest. So that's the only reason I pulled that one out. And even in that institution, we were not at all of the policymakers. We were the we were the drones, we were the workers just like we were in everything else. So I think that that misnomer of liberation is unfortunate. Okay. And what I was saying before you made that comment about the guilt thing was that that is very common, that's not at all unusual. And unfortunately, our media feeds that. And many other kinds of things feed that. I think in the 70s, we have to when dealing with racism and sexism, excuse me, we have to not dwell on the personal approach like prejudice, discrimination, bigotry, stereotyping, we have to deal with the institutionalization and deal with the institution, we have to deal with behavior, we have to deal with the fact that there are certain people locked into certain kinds of positions automatically, without question, and not deal with oh, well, you know, it's about my heart, and I can't legislate my heart. And I can't be like this. We talked all through the 50s. And we talked through the 60s, and we burned up a little bit. But I think the 70s must come, we must concern ourselves in this period, with the institutions have to have the deepest institutionalized structures in our society, that they permeate their self feeding. They don't We don't need any signs. Okay. There are no signs up anywhere, but the institutions thrive and run the last piece of the nature thing, or didn't, I touched on no larger struggle, and I'll get back to that. But the last piece in the in the in the in the nature thing in terms of institutionalization, I think also, is the fact that we must recognize in dealing with both racism and sexism, that in the 70s to do nothing to fight the systems or the institutions that keep them going, is to perpetuate them. Is that totally clear? Okay. All right. People will say, Well, I don't I don't do anything. That in the 70s because they have become a part of our systems is to help them to thrive and move and grow and be viable.

Unknown Speaker  07:59
all at one time. The crime was the lynchings, the beatings, the this the cutting of the women's hair, the burning of witches, dada. Okay. And you saw both of the analogies race and sex in that I hope, okay. Now, the crime is that it has become institutionalized and it's become a part of the system. The crime is not to fight the system. Because when you don't do something about it, you are helping it to move ahead. All right. So neutrality is as heinous in the 70s as the lynching was in the whenever it's okay. Well, not okay. But just understand I'm not seeing that number agreement today because I'm still dealing with my bird.

Unknown Speaker  08:53
I think whatever your burdens. I think that when, when we look at at the women's movement and deal with

Unknown Speaker  09:03
with racism one of the things that has been piteous is that women who are not white have been active, verbal and involved. Since they said let's do some back yonder years and years and years, not talking about Glorian Betty in this little wave. I'm talking about that. We've been in it.

Unknown Speaker  09:38
And the media has chosen to ignore us. And women have bought into that. And women say women white women invite us out of the movement by talking a lot of bullshit about them. Sorry, but we'll take dollar but talking a lot of stuff about oh, you know, surely The white middle class movement. Well, I won't even get into my middle class number today, because I don't want to be stoned at Barnard. But women and Menards don't even have class. That's a myth that we, that we lay off on each other, which is dumb and ignorant. But what white women don't have the right to invite me out of the women's movement, do something. It is a movement about women, and consistently because of the media. And I'm trying to put it on the media as much as I can to try to save my sisters. And then they pick up the ball and want to tell me about oh, well, you know, this is the issues that we're addressing. The issues that the women's movement has addressed, have been issues that are pertinent to all women, and particularly pertinent to the woman who is of color, particularly pertinent. We have had to look at things in a very special perspective. But the issue remains the same. There was not one you could name. But it's not been particularly pertinent to us and why women will tell us Oh, you know, this is after about the women in the in the women's movement and white middle class women. I think that's one piece that's very, very piteous the other piece is that the foundation of the second way, was laid down on a multicultural note. And many women, probably nameless, have refused to pick up on it. Example, when the National Women's Political Caucus was first formed, and I'm not talking about whether you like or don't like the caucus now, please listen and get off on on that that's not the issue, when I'm talking about is when it was founded way back in 70, whatever the board was designed, so that there would be particular slots for particular kinds of women to be sure that it was multicultural. One example, whether you like it or not, Gloria Steinem was, and probably still is, to many, many people, a spokesperson for liberationists that dealt with feminism. She never opened her mouth. Without a Third World person. We won't say third world we won't say of color when he was a minority. In a press conference in a in a in a in a public forum. But the math you see the God that was laid down, but it was not picked up. Because people have wanted to, to not deal with racism. Do you hear?

Unknown Speaker  12:42
Do you hear that part

Unknown Speaker  12:43
that? You see. And I think that we have to begin to see the linkages and to see that the history of the theme has been laid out very clearly, for us, in addition to the fact that the is issues are pertinent to all women and all women have laid the foundation of the women's movement. And the women's movement, in many instances has done the exact same thing that we claim. Male Society has done to us in terms of lack of recognition, lack of credit, lack of history, a deliberateness involved in in lack of inclusion, women's studies, programs, curriculum that are developed with not a black face, not a Spanish speaking face, not an Asian face, not dealing at all with that piece of it, or to even deal with the fact that we exist on Earth. Or to move to some of the linkages. Yeah, these are a few, I am sure that you can come up with many, many, many, many, many more. As you come up with many though, please keep in mind, and most of you I see from the list that I was given, are involved in education in some way. At least that's what maybe you're different people. But the list that I have, says that. And I think that we have to look at the educational system in this country, right straight up through to when it ever finishes, and it never does. As the keeper of the value gate, probably the biggest keeper of the value gate that there is in our society. The maintainer of the status quo. Television and the church are probably the two closest rivals to that. But education I think still holds the number one spot as the institution that closest to really the remains closest to really making sure that the values remain the same because they the educational system, says that it handles the minds and says that it is about information. And I feel the people involved in education, the deal and misinformation are as dreadful as a doctor that that deliberately practices malpractice. Because information is supposed to be what it is the educators are about. And so I just think that we need to take a little more seriously. I mean, I've heard people involved in education that oh, well, I just don't know, I just, you know, without any motivation to find out, do you see what I'm saying? To say, gee, you know, I really need to make that course more dadadada da malted. So instead of just throwing up one thing and saying, Oh, well, I just never had this motion. I just never did that. And the other, I think we'd be a little disgusted with a surgeon and say, Oh, I just never saw gallbladder before. So just leave it in there. So, you know, instead of saying, hey, go get somebody to see how I go about treating this. How do I go about treating this linkages? One, I think there's an interesting historical linkage between the attempted solutions to the kinds of problems that are caused by racism, sexism, are the first wave of feminism, which it's silly to talk about, because I don't think there was a first wave I think there was feminism since women. But somebody has put a historic pin in different spots on our on our little route through our life, or the history of our lives. And, and the first wave, I think it's interesting, though, the suffragettes kind of came down as famous because the press even then told us what it was, we're supposed to think. But really, those women were involved in the abolitionist movement. They were abolitionists, in town, Hall townhall here in New York, was a forum for female abolitionists. And as many of you probably know, because I see some of you teach Women's Studies Center, you know that. But I have to get started seeing that's part of my story, let's dance, he could have said that up there. And that guy didn't say that. And so I say, why don't you put that up there? Okay. So I think you have to have to understand that the history of us following one movement with with the other, I find interesting that that those women didn't went to England to an international abolitionist conference, had no vote and no voice because they were women were relegated to the gallery of came back to this country and say, Hey, we at best to address some issues about women. Okay, but they were looking at the abolitionist movement as their freedom. Okay, as the key to liberation for people's. All right. And I think it's really important that we look at that, and it's, I find it interesting. Second wave was bought, I think we're still writing that one was born, or let me say this many, many, many of the people who were involved in screaming the loudest about kicking it off and getting it started, not that there were many, many people sitting in the Bronx, at the kitchen table, who were involved in the movement, that's one of the things that I feel about, about the movement is that you can you can, you can be in it, and be anywhere, you don't have to have pay dues anywhere I just think you can, can be a part of a movement, because you are a part of it, you're a part of it in this part, and in this part. But But those people that that kind of laid our foundations and kicked off a lot of our thought processes, and formulated a lot of the things that we had been thinking a long, long time. And we said, That's it. That's what I've been been trying to do. That's what I've been feeling that kind of of which which, which kind of in some way leadership, I guess, if you have adapted to the word leadership, choose another one, I don't care. But whatever that that role was, it was played by those people. Most of them came from the new left in the civil rights movement. Once again, two movements that were fantastic movements, different assault of anybody who was involved in those movements, they were wonderful and fine and good, I should say are

Unknown Speaker  19:11
those who say anything, but and gave this country a consciousness that we certainly had not known before and haven't seen again, and cause some real motion. However, they were neither one was particularly concerned with the pertinent concerns of the woman. All right, and once again, we began to fall one behind behind the other, not to address both, um, is to let someone off the hook, which is what begins to happen is I was talking about the women's movement if I'm not a racist, I can be a sexist, I'm not sexist, I can be a racist because I've got not you know, I'm involved in that larger struggle you see in the largest struggle is what I want to make it and please remind me to say something about larger struggle before before us Stop saying hello Park. Not to address both allows the most heinous kind of oppression, which is oppression within groups, which I think is the worst kind of all because it indicates that enough of us have bought the dream and fold ourselves into into a spot in time in history that is most sad is the satisfied of all to think that we are in fact, in some way elevated above those people who are in our exact same position. Do you see what I'm saying? Which which I think is the most heinous crash. It's very, very obvious I think in well, we can we can all think of a million women's movement examples in the liberation movement that has to do with with color. skin color, has been one of our criterion for years and years and years, which is so so sad.

Unknown Speaker  20:56
hair texture

Unknown Speaker  20:59
has been one of our criterion for many, many, many years, we've just gotten away from and still have those people within our ranks to talk about good hair. Don't wait. Now they're fair few. I'm not saying that they're common, but it's not what you hear now. And then not recognizing the hair is hair, you know, but but good hair was anything from crimpy. To that stuff, the need down like they lay down. And of course six has been a has been with within all groups, a criterion that we use to divide the betters from the betters within groups, we created a revolving door, we always scrambling for the same crumbs together. The ins and the outs. A woman was at a meeting with me, I was talking about this to someone and she was she spoke Spanish for 10 minutes. And no one in the room spoke Spanish but but but she. And when she finished, she said if you didn't understand me, you have a year and a half we're in now. Now I don't have any problem with her being in at all. I feel that Native American Programs that are probably going to be yet next year's thing should be given the whole country back as far as I'm concerned. Our Spanish speaking programs, certainly any program for anyone certainly I had a problem with that. But why is that we have to scramble for that same little piece of pie. And then we allow that door to revolve. So we have a woman's year and then a black year and Asian year earlier this year, that year and another year instead of dealing with depression. Okay, and when is it that we come to each other's aid? That's what upsets me when is it that we come to each other's aid, when when when the forest strike was on out there in El Paso, black folks couldn't could not understand why they shouldn't be involved in that, because that was mainly a Spanish speaking, workers involved. But it was a problem of all the press people. When the Chinese folks were here screaming about the brutality in in Chinatown, how many of us in this room went down there and said, this has got to stop? Not many of us. Maybe some of y'all did, but not many of us. I bet you I bet you not 10 of us in this room went to one demonstration that had to do with with China, and that was about oppression. So we don't see any stick you see, I think we've got to begin to see a stake in pushing each other number because 7% of the population runs us 7% at us that to me, it's shocking. The 7% of the population in this country has the kind of mobility that really sees to it, the business goes on as usual. And the rest of us want to talk about whose struggle is larger. And I don't see a larger, I see that we've got to our energies might be placed. Now I'm not saying that everybody has got to run out seven nights a week to a different movement meeting. I am not saying that. What I'm saying is you may place your energies in a particular place, but for God's sake, see the state and once in a while write a letter, you say and I think that's important. And when that begins to happen, it's gonna be all over. It's gonna be all over. And I say when because I'm hopeful that knows I don't know why we are not allowed as another language to to to to have our societally accepted assignments pay off. All of us, as groups of people have been assigned certain kinds of things that are appropriate for us to do so that society will run smoother. Our little jobs that we do and many of us have accepted those assignments willingly have excelled in them. But when the goodies come along, we're not allowed to cash in on our experience and our excellence. Cooking. I think we'd have to argue about the fact that traditionally Nothing has been a woman's responsibility in terms of societal assignment. But when that exact same job is taken out of the home given authority given planning given a decent wage, it's called a chef. It's made a man and we are locked out sewing. There's a difference between a seamstress and a tailor or couturier couturiers really cooking on all four burners. And then that's that's definitely a man. A tailor is a man and and that has a certain kind of status, prestige, money, authority. And of course, all of the physical kinds of things like oh cooks, chefs can handle female chefs can handle heavy pots with junior cooks handle heavy pots. Now chefs. So you see, I think we have to deal with this societal assignment, sports in certain areas.

Unknown Speaker  25:57
non white Americans have to have certainly been given the responsibility for carrying certain sports. And it has been our way of getting an education it's been our way of getting a piece of the dream that's crumbling rapidly, but at one time was had viability. And, but when it came to manage it with authority and planning, we've not been like football and because one black quarterback, we're all black Americans in football. That's incredible. And I don't know if there's a manager I doubt that there is a coach rather whatever it is, of that kind of thing. When Frank Robinson was given that one little managerial ship they interviewed him to death one note this neck could he do it? Could he not cry? You know, because it wasn't within that it wasn't within the role that we should manage you just get out there and follow directions just play get your entity beat in, but don't but you are not you don't go up through the ranks in the same way. In the same kind of even though we prove we can do the job teaching school teaching when you look at the number of teachers and the responsibility that women have had to the educating and nurturing and keeping of children and and the school mom was consistently a woman but when you divided the one school left you needed a principal it was a man in school superintendents are always men, certainly not always, in most instances, less than point oh 1% of school principals in this country are female with all of our experience in in the teaching, nurturing and keeping of youngsters and you could think of many many more rhythms singing and dancing with with non white papers and go Go girl like he haul your television programs and we do we're not allowed to cash in on, on on on accepted assignments. When it's easy for the power group responsibilities are given to us, or the alleged power group in case anybody later on wants to argue about whether there is a power group which I find incredible in this group, but I certainly don't put anything past today the alleged power group will give us responsibility far beyond what their tales about us would say. Example women are totally and completely almost in charge of making sure that human beings continue. Now what a responsibility to give a dizzy little stupid, inferior nothing. The kind of but the reason we're given that responsibility almost totally is because it's easier. Okay? And because we're given those kinds of responsibilities, but card is sometime peaked that maybe they don't think we're quite as incompetent and silly and stupid and superficial. As as, as people would would like to say. Birth control is almost completely a female responsibility in this country. Now in India, little Indira tried to switch it up. And you see what I've heard. And I'm certainly not saying that that's why she was defeated. The poor child has gotten a bit batty but

Unknown Speaker  29:13
but but but

Unknown Speaker  29:15
she certainly set a standard of mail with responsibility for for population control. That was great, very objectionable. And of course, she went about it strangely, because what about in the fourth way she went about it without any education. People didn't understand what was going on, blah, blah. But in this country, women have that almost total responsibility, the vasectomy rate in this country, the the robber usage, the whatever that has to do with men, is greatly minimized because of the fact that women can't are forced if they want to go about the business of the pleasurable part of sex, to take pills, use diaphragms and do all of that kind of thing, or be of a bunch of carrying around either the decision about abortion or care or a nine month pregnancy? Do you see, and that doesn't make any sense. And that's a tremendous responsibility if women ever got themselves together about population control, I mean, my God, that's unbelievable. When you think about year after year, yep. But at least you can least after it there, you can delete begin to demand some help. But what is inside Darling, you just have to work along with it. You can't, you can cut you can do a thing with it, but either get it out or area. When we look at apt, at the non white, tremendous responsibilities that were given, you know, it's someone that I thought totally incompetent. And, and just not quite right in the head, I would not allow to cook for me, to feed me every day, I would not allow to take care of my children to take care of my children on I might allow them to feed me, but I don't think I would, but I certainly would not allow anybody that I thought really did not have it together to to have the complete responsibility of my child. Those kinds of responses when it happens when it's easier. Okay, and I think what we have to begin to look at is what about when it's not so easy? What about when it's easier for us? Why can't we have those kinds of responsibilities, we tend to do the same kinds of things with women and other minorities. And we're all kind of in need of protection, that's a very, for your own good is a very common kind of thing. It's not quite so common, was non white Americans now because we've we've asked so ugly about it, but it's very common for women. And it was at one time very common. Oh, you know, they like it on, it's better for them on the plantation. Because they you know, they were fed and this and had clothes and blah, and it's really better for you. It's for your own good that you are not free. You need caring for, you know, I don't want you to work that night shift and make that extra money and be that new supervisor on the night shift. Because you may be hurt. I am concerned for you as a woman who What if you were right, well, what if he is mugged? It's not you know, it's not much that you did you say we tend to to have that need of protection. We're dumb, we're silly. We can take the same jokes. And just insert a name like the example you're talking about, that I mentioned before, you can take any polish joke, Native American joke, black joke, I've not heard a lot of Asian American jokes. But I'm sure there are you know, but I've just not not heard a lot. But you hear that, you know, Italian jokes. Jokes about women. If you just erase out, you can insert this insert. And they all make they're all justice funny if you are inclined to laugh, which I'm sure that we are not, but the punch line can remain the same. Because we even get our stereotypes confused because of the fact that we do the same kind of thing. We are we are are the the well, we're dealing with it with systems that are burdensome to those people that do not see themselves as the oppressed in them. Sexism certainly is burdensome to males and have a nose racism is burdensome to American white. So we can talk about that a little more if you'd like to. Um, we're consistently left out of history deliberately and in a planned way. I don't think I need with this group to expound on that. But if if our if our contributions speak of either eye, femaleness or non whiteness, our contributions are ignored. If our contributions are too big to be ignored, than our field, femaleness or not, whiteness is ignored. And that's consistently the way we are gotten around in a deliberate planned way. In history, we tend to be fun loving, superficial, tend to be together poorly educated, a deliberately created poor image of ourselves, as women and other minorities, and groomed for service are wrong are the kinds of things that are appropriate for us deal with something that makes life comfortable for someone else? Okay, and our whole career pathing. And that kind of thing gives us in that way. The law now combines us. We, in my outfit, we talk about women and other minorities because we see women as a minority sociologically. The law talks about women and minorities, and you've seen I'm sure many of the judgments that have come down that way. What's interesting, too, is that we all reap the harvest of each other's thing. There's not been one piece of legislation that has been on the behalf of path of racial minorities that has not included women and not one piece of legislation has come down for women that has not benefited racial minorities, the law combined. We are we see From brunches all at one time the economy was blamed on the fact that well, we know who's on welfare. Well, most of the folks on welfare white because they're more whites, but they talk about a disproportionate number of other people's being on welfare and that's the reason the economy is in such bad shape. Well now the latest thing is that it has to do with the fact that there are too many working women of childbearing age so we you know, we we serve as an excuse. Bruxism is what we call, brunches. We have we suffer from a lack of self definition, we're not allowed to define ourselves. We're always being measured by someone else's yardstick of who we look differently. Different from all different from men different from whites, we're biologically different. Well, we have to begin to say different from who and by whose standards but but but that but that's our we do not have the luxury of our own yardstick. I think probably a black is beautiful, was the first time that an oppressed group struck out and said, We insist upon self definition. We're not going to wait for a gimbals boutique, or Afro boutique or afford to be on the front cover of Vogue. Natural is going to be what I grow out of my head. And if it doesn't come out silky and I can't do like this was it it is still beautiful. And it's beautiful because I said so. Okay, and it's not beautiful because material didn't do said so. Okay. But But for years, even our magazines, racial minority magazines insisted upon it light and bright, straight hair look, in order to be a model in turn and the sexist ramifications of that very interesting. I don't I'm sure enough to spell them out for for this. Okay. And so we women now Ms. The New York Times will tell you, we will not use that we will call you Miss or Mrs. And then they will put Mrs. Phelan. So who likes to be called him as you know, but they were few you know, that's self definition. I don't have the luxury to say what I'm going to be about and whether that is going to be good for me. Okay, um, we share that. Oh, ownership as a notion. We can't own racial minorities anymore in this country, but we can own women. Most marriage laws list women is chattel. And when I say marriage laws, I mean state marriage laws. And the notion that one can do with one's property what one wishes, is very common in this country. Ciao, battery centers, I get a lot of flack from parents. That's my child, who used to tell me what I can do with my child. He said, Well, the child's pelvis is broken, forgot that. That's my child. That's not your business. He he or she belongs to me. Or golden wife, battery or female batteries. So that's my woman or my wife. You can't tell me what, and in many states wife battery's not a crime, there's no such thing as wife rape. Because that is your property, you can't reach something that belongs to you any more than in what we now can I guess a little bit of relief for the olden days, could talk about what someone could do with their slaves. You couldn't tell somebody you can stack the resume. That was that property. Okay. And we deal with that ownership notion that is very much a part of our everyday lives, very much a part of everyday life in the way we think about the relationships between people one to the other. Okay. Yes.

Unknown Speaker  38:55
You abuse and level mentioned that she grew up in a family where the father while

Unknown Speaker  39:00
her father was abusive mother, they used to go out and ask the neighbors to intervene, and they would say, we can't be with a man. And that's

Unknown Speaker  39:16
a female who is who is buried under protection, abuse, because he he will say, that's not whatever the notion is. And we do have that notion about property. Americans think very much about the fact that what belongs to me, I am in control of, okay, and I'm sure that's true in England, but I don't ever talk about other cultures.

Unknown Speaker  39:41
And I feel that people don't go places and visit and then say they know, but I'm sure she knows that she goes about

Unknown Speaker  39:47
and I thank you for the example.

Unknown Speaker  39:49
We deal with a constant double standard. The double standard is also a very good test for subtleties in racism sexism. When we're saying to

Unknown Speaker  39:56
ourselves, I wonder if I'm being racist. am I really afraid of that person? Because it is a dangerous person? Or is that? Am I afraid of that person? Because that person is

Unknown Speaker  40:08
black or Spanish speaking or Asian American or Native American? So

Unknown Speaker  40:12
some double standards?

Unknown Speaker  40:14
Oh, when I feel is that young man, we're white. All right,

Unknown Speaker  40:21
cuz double standards are very good. What would I think if this were a woman who were wondering whether, you know, and this is something that I think because you become a so we've

Unknown Speaker  40:33
refined those beneath these two isms to a science. We do have instances more or more in our lives, where we say to ourselves, oh, my goodness, I wonder if I'm really being such and such? Or am I just right? And you hear that a lot? Well, I

Unknown Speaker  40:47
think now, to run it back the double

Unknown Speaker  40:51
standard test, and you come out with a very, very badly so you may not want

Unknown Speaker  40:55
to say out loud, you can turn it back. What is all right, and that double standard thing. But what is all right for the power, who's not all right for us

Unknown Speaker  41:03
childcare,

Unknown Speaker  41:06
for certain women, takes the form of an institution called nanny, Nanny governess.

Unknown Speaker  41:12
childcare for others of us means childcare center, but others of us are told that we're negligent, while the stock is down for many, many nanny or governance gets. Not only is she not taking care of a biological child, it's so important to do it. But she gets to not do it, she gets rewarded for that. Whereas I just get told that I'm silly or negligent, irresponsible. We're all talking about our biological children, or when it's all right for us is not all right. But in our life.

Unknown Speaker  41:47
women's work,

Unknown Speaker  41:49
we talked about, oh, you know, she can't do that job is too heavy. Well, speaking of a female household technician, we're here to coordinate them as domestic are made. I've never heard anybody say I've never think of absolutely no chance for the Commander in Chief. So we're always dealing with a double standard. We victimized the victim, if they would only educate themselves in some way, our fault. If she hadn't been wearing that dress, she wouldn't have that really equation session. You know, not dealing with the fact that that when you go down to report stolen television this morning, or in the window, say you shouldn't have told me you wonder what you did. Or somebody would snatch your jewelry off into this oh, you should have been wearing it. Now that tempted that person, we have a very different kind of approval rate, Oh, nobody has the right to take from another person, which is not a lot. That's the issue where we don't want to deal with that, because we have to victimize and funnily have gotten the default.

Unknown Speaker  42:59
And I dealt with

Unknown Speaker  43:00
institutionalization is dealing with behavior are only explainable relationships and both sexually mixed and racially mixed with PowerBook illogical knowledge and knowledge is the is the is one of subservience or sexual medicine sometimes I guess. We're always assumed we never we don't have the luxury of friendship. It's a food that oh, what's going on there?

Unknown Speaker  43:31
Say it's not

Unknown Speaker  43:32
that we are just going home from work together or just stopped off to check for or that the black and or the woman or the Asian or the whatever is the boss. Okay, it's always Serbian, or and we are involved in a section that's only explainable relationship that's going to be able to prove it think we have to to also deal with the fact that if we don't begin to really address this lack of barbers problem and address these isms, these two of these together, they're going to be dealing with a situation like black woman who has been dealing with who got the COVID-19 20. Interestingly enough with women and not an 18 Fixing guy is always hard pressed to find the largest truck

Unknown Speaker  44:27
these are a few you want me to expound on any of those or feed into your workouts and try to leave time

Unknown Speaker  44:35
to watch out. Yes,

Unknown Speaker  44:41
something you said before pointed out something that I never thought of. It says I have two male friends I haven't seen in many years that white men who went to Selma and wash and Rose Malcolm X's funeral and really into the Civil Rights Group. As the name implies, starting to feel a bit lost and being home and making children and not having another identity, the marriage is. So did that whole thing and being aware of the blackness never who doesn't need a woman? That's all.

Unknown Speaker  45:23
Well, there are white women

Unknown Speaker  45:26
who were involved in

Unknown Speaker  45:31
the marching in the verb demonstrations in the whatever, what still never understood the complexities, you know, in terms of the kinds of things that they were feeling inside themselves that really were going on within those blacks, and finally had to say to them, in many instances, look, you know, you can't be the chair of this committee. One of the one of the basic kinds of things I think, and one of the problems in coalition is that it's hard