Unknown Speaker 00:01 I mean, I think you've been really good and you've accomplished a lot. And I, you know, I'm making this particular thing, but I've been part of it's, uh, you know, I'm not repudiating them or feeling guilty or anything else. There's as you know, as you move, you have to figure out how what's important and what's different, and so on. And so I found out as I've gone along, got more and more examples of women who've engaged particularly in non violent kind of direct action around the world. And I think that the Eve you see this evening and seeing some of the ways in which Corazon Aquino is interesting, I mean, she's, she's, you know, not any reputed pacifist or anything like that, that I know of who knows, but, you know, she's done things herself just out of, I think, a basic women's consciousness, you know, that little yellow dress? Or is this just like, I mean, it hardly says, I'm the Big Shot head of state, you know, and yet she has taken her authority. I mean, it's and, and she's done things like refuse the gun salute, you know, where they, for whatever ever have they got, they do it with it, you know, the, the blowing up of the candidate becomes the the chief candidate, the head of state, you know, we'll, you know, shoot all the guns off. So she's refused to do that. And people have tied yellow ribbons around the gun, in the Philippines, just out of the sort of, she's engendered that kind of consciousness. And I'm not sure where the yellow image even comes from exactly. But that is my favorite. Color, or something Unknown Speaker 01:48 very personal. It's something that she's in Newsweek Unknown Speaker 01:51 the other week, Unknown Speaker 01:53 as well, what I mean, I don't really know, but it's coming from, it seems to me, like potentially, it's coming to mean something else. And, you know, it's coming to have a meeting in the Philippines that has this spirit, even though and she also said on International Women's Day that she was, you know, back to the President of the Philippines on October, but she was proud of anything. And being a woman and the way that the women had blocked, had been a really been a major instrument in keeping the transition non violent, and then protecting the people who had located themselves in ministry so that they weren't killed. And, you know, so it's sort of unexpected. I mean, it's just kind of interesting. And this is just one example, one particular one, because I'm interested in navigation. And you know, the Argentinian the mothers club in Ohio, are well known meanings in all kinds of highly requested situations, women have figured out ways to both represent and resist violence and oppression. And it is born out of necessity. And but I think, you know, even while, we may have stated that there are situations in the world where people are justified or find themselves as having no recourse to, other than divine struggle, that even in those situations, most of what's going on, in so called Revolution, is not the shooting of the guns and so on. I mean, it's the educating the winning of the hearts and minds of people, the making of a different culture, and so on. That's just one tiny part of it, even when the rebel it's a so called violent struggle. So this idea that they're violent struggles of nonviolent struggle isn't even exactly right. A real change comes from those kinds of the nonviolent aspects, even of a violent struggle with changing people and how they meet their needs, growth in the economy, the culture, all that sort of stuff. And so some of these dichotomies, I think it's feminists have begun to even think about that stuff. See it, you know, things cease to be to polarize. And so I just think that we what we need to do there actually love, for example, but I won't go into the what we need to do is, even without getting bogged up in these discussions of whether someone is an absolute, conditional pacifist, advocate of non violence, whether non violence is a tactic or religion or philosophy, a way of life or whatever I mean, these are, I mean, I'm actually quite interested in these discussions, and I think they're very important. But I think that there may be ways, you know, as we're having some of these discussions that, I think in keeping with some of the things that Kate was talking about this morning, you know, how do we engender a politics that is really appropriate to our criticism of this society? And what is where does theory go into practice? Even one theory is that people are still thinking about things. I think we can still make it say that feminists practice it Ely is a non violent practice and imaginative practice a practice that empowers different women in it, and has its little differential was possible between so leaders and participants and you know, the different different people who take part in something which values a different limit. And so it seems to me like those are some of the things that need to characterize our work and an ability to work across race, class, national kind of boundaries, in some way that expands on education is one of the things that we need to do and one of the directions that we need to be going in. So those are, those are some of those are some thoughts that I have about fitting the statue. And I don't know if people here other people here have ideas for things you want to talk about. You know, I mean, there are actually some actions that are planned that that could be talked about, and there's different types of things. And so, I just want to add a footnote to like you were saying, and this is about the minimum spending. Unknown Speaker 06:17 Even though I think when Unknown Speaker 06:19 we were organizing it, also realize that Unknown Speaker 06:22 we actually have a large edge, Unknown Speaker 06:25 we still get letters from women still here. Still might know about. I mean, it I think it had that quality of imagination, I guess maybe outrageousness whatever that touched women. And I think it's important to say and remember it, because whatever future actions will develop, I think we'll have to have that quality to really reach out because these letters come in on solicited. We never saw it as an international action. Unknown Speaker 07:02 And in a funny way, has expired. Unknown Speaker 07:07 You Yeah, no, it's also an action, which is really very small. And now that, you know, we had this discussion that I think the first one was 2000. Before that, so we're we're not talking here about a mass action, we're talking about a particular kind of act, you know, organized in a fairly short term basis, which have a certain quality to it, you know, that those are the kinds of actions they're, you know, those they're they're things that don't have to involve, in other words, huge, gigantic hundreds of 1000s of people. Yeah, we're not against. Right, right, right, your first step, but your second one has to walk. Unknown Speaker 07:53 What don't you think to that what you were saying about women, empowering women, that if women are really going to grow, and if the peace movement is really going to grow, we have to learn how to empower those people that disagree with us to you know, I mean, that coalition building with me, Holly near this fall in there in Washington was that she said that, you know, when you're doing coalition work, when you're threatened to the very core, to talk to the person that you disagree with the most, but it was sort of feeling bad. And I think she made a real important point that the kind of thing that really changes people is not only can you empower with people who are like you, but if you can help to empower people who are disliked, you know, who have entirely different views, that that's where the whole idea of peace is going to come because you have an understanding between two people. But the thing that she found, she said is that the only way you know if you do that is if you're just so scared and so threatened by even associate. That seems to be what you're saying happened in the in the Peace tent, you know, there's always had to be something to keep the tension down. But when you're really doing coalition building, that's the type of Unknown Speaker 08:55 well, you could call it coalition building, but it's also sisterhood. Understanding coalition building seems to have a purpose. Yeah. Whereas sisterhood is just more. Unknown Speaker 09:08 Absolutely, just That's Unknown Speaker 09:10 it. Could I suggest we did other things that I didn't mention this, the rituals that we did with these 10 And that was also that was also sort of hard to do, and it didn't have work. And so I was gonna suggest that we could do one here. We're breaking up and I was going to connect it to that, I would suggest two things. I'd like to teach a song. I'd like for us to hold hands and make sound you're doing very, is started out as a setting. Setting so you just go to bed. Okay. Unknown Speaker 10:58 The American dialogue, I had this rainbow thread which I brought with me in trying to resolve a personal problem, tangling this thread metaphor I kept on trying. And so I just turned from the personal problem to the political and I gave it to the Soviet and American women and said unravel the problem, you know, and they during the dialogue, they sat there and we're working on unraveling this Imagine if different from the unit later I use the thread again, oh, when they did decide on doing something together, they decided on doing simultaneous piece action. The two large pieces of thread came at 10 Right at that moment, which you know, was just magic. Anyhow, so I've been cut off pieces of this thread and gate, Spiegel, this side feminist and almost half thread piece here that's tied around a blank written stands for trust. So I'm just pass around a look at it and just pass it around. And meanwhile, I like to teach you something already, which is Unknown Speaker 12:24 building bridges between rd visions, I reach out to you and you reach out to me with voices and all of our visions Unknown Speaker 12:39 sisters weekend makes just me we are madly Unknown Speaker 12:48 okay because building bridges between our divisions, I reach out to you and you reach out to me with all of our voices and all of our visions sisters we can make such as Unknown Speaker 13:03 building bridges between nations, I reach out to you and you reach out to me when God says as long as he says diversity you can name a sweet harmony Unknown Speaker 13:39 always when you're doing rituals always do what you say like reach out to your dad and a contradiction Unknown Speaker 13:52 bridge between them visions, I reach out to you and you reach out to me. My wife says and no longer visions says Good day a just sweet man the Unknown Speaker 14:20 one thing that we can add this to this passage. I think when we're passing around our heart, we have a part I think the circulation of the heart. And we would think about the person that's holding it at the time to pass it around. So we could add that you do it fairly quickly. Just think about how that person in your consciousness as she's holding the threads and Unknown Speaker 14:48 kind of organize organizers Unknown Speaker 14:58 that's a time honored ritual. Unknown Speaker 15:10 Well, I want to add that let's see, you have been working with two young girls. They were like, closer in language, no, but still even managed perfectly. Well, anyway, it was a great experience for me to be in a woman's group that was not from my country. And now even though even though this is occasionally rebooting, I don't say it's everybody's, anyway, I feel happy to be with you. And to know, as a surgeon, what struck, and this whole ordeal, the person who has stuck here has expressed that there is a common feeling about the woman. To be with me, Unknown Speaker 16:11 that you brought out a point earlier to that, that how poverty and violence or how the violence of poverty can also affect peace issues and thinking about how people can get involved. I mean, even just helping, I mean, not that we're, we're not in our own poverty. So we have to go help people that are in poverty. But I mean, our daily assistance in learning from other people, is a way of fostering peace. In that sense. I thought that you said that I thought was important. Unknown Speaker 16:41 And one thing, I think, like you said, it seems to me to be very important, because I think we need to really understand I don't know quite how this became anti nuclear politics. And you might didn't say please politics, because that's really too narrow. I mean, we really wanted to talk feminist politics and politics, really, and they do have to do with development, poverty, racism, and the whole series of other things, you know, it's not that easy to keep all these things in your consciousness and, and going at the same time, but I think we really got to really be able to do that and to develop our way of articulating our politics and in theory, oh, it's just really awesome. Yes, no, this kind of ongoing process of educating ourselves and moving our thinking and developing all kinds of ways of representing our politics, you know, from writing, to action, through it, to just theater to art, everything that you can imagine, to make you consistently saying that we're not going to have a fragmented kind of politics. To see issues is one discrete from another, I mean, the violence of, you know, not painting, refugees, and starvation, food at all those things that are really connected to the bottom, and Central America, to the nuclear weapons to all these different kinds of things, but you can't separate the economic priorities from the weapons and all that sort of stuff. And if that kind of idea can get out there, then that seems to me to be very much what feminist politics are. That's where we need to really get them to enter the public world. I also think that that would make the range of people who are part of a feminist new peace movement, much greater, you know, if the real concerns of the women of the world are represented in those politics. And that was one thing that was inspiring about Nairobi in equality, peace and development, you know, sort of in the kind of way that people try to relate those things, not necessarily, but through all those things were seen as connected and I think really have to be part of our piece. And that that was really something that was something that I learned from that. We just started to figure out ways that we're making those connections. Unknown Speaker 19:12 So there is going to be a conference this a UN conference this summer, in Paris, on the connections between disarmament and development. And I think it's interesting that that kind of connections may sort of the year after the women's conference because I really do feel like that was the first time I heard those connections made. So it'll be interesting to see what they come up with some how it Unknown Speaker 19:49 was you're saying that we have to figure out ways that we can use How or techniques that we actually have in order to make change. One thing that women do have now, but they haven't had in the past great economic power, no, well, a lot more than we used to a lot more than we used to, for instance, consider what would happen if all women who feel the way we do here today stopped paying taxes. In now, this government is very concerned, first of all, because we're a capitalist society very concerned with who makes money and how much of it the government gets, and so on. But also very concerned with lowering the deficit, getting rid of this problem that we have. With debt in this country, what would happen if all women felt this way stopped paying their tax? Unknown Speaker 20:47 A woman is no tax resistance. Unknown Speaker 20:50 No, but I mean, for as an as an action not as a permanent thing. Obviously, you can't stop paying taxes. But as an action to show, this is how much power we have, this is what we can do with Unknown Speaker 21:02 it, you can stop paying taxes, I don't, I don't pay percentage of my taxes, then Unknown Speaker 21:08 you need to to organize. Unknown Speaker 21:10 Right as an organized form of protest, which would last say for X amount of time, and then after that, there would be some further actions and the words, some dialogue would develop, obviously, between the government and this group, because you can't have people are paying your taxes. But that's just Unknown Speaker 21:27 me just drawing, interested in more text resistance should write the word sisters, guide tensors isn't zero a lot of examples of women, but one Anita Nelson will have in one way or another decided to pull out of them either in a permanent way or in a symbol. So so that is a whole area. Unknown Speaker 21:54 You think there is a case to be made also called Women, you have money, even if they don't control? There's a lot they said, fortune. I believe that. Going back to your your moral point, you know, I sort of think of it as different value systems and that women have altruistic values is because we have to bring up kids eat and that and for men, it just sticks. And that happens even with women who have money, and they have to be that or they're not even considered when you know, they're considered poor. And women that do have money, we get young, I really believe that feminism is cross class. And they could very well support women's things, these things. Sure. There's a Unknown Speaker 22:53 perfect example, the new women's Museum in Washington was founded by a woman who has a fortune, and she became an art collector, as many wealthy women, but she wanted to collect women paintings by women. And that's what she did. And she by God is founding the museum for Women in the Arts in Washington, she they just bought a whole building three blocks from the White House. Unknown Speaker 23:18 This altruism from the Unknown Speaker 23:20 exactly there's no reason why you can't have an altruistic institution, you just make it take it up to a bigger level. You know, you can still think about other people, you just do it on a grand scale instead of at your home. Unknown Speaker 23:36 I was to ask if people if there are people here who would like me to write on the board some of the books that I made. I don't want to memorize to not trying to What did you say? The Women's National series, or an essay a book about that? I've never read it. There's something that's available in an issue of socialist review. That was in 1981, I guess both Michelle and Roland Linton. And there's also an interview on that same issue with Walmart, which I think is really pretty good. I mean, I haven't I read a response. It's an issue after this. But what I don't pick is pretty good about it. But mostly, I think it's really pretty good. Was it citation the socialist review? It's late it's I think it's November December. Anyway, it's gonna be a two because there's no way to somewhere. So that's there's that and the other thing that I wanted to mention to people before we broke up. So definitively mentioned callback is still in existence. And most of you may remember that years ago. We do I decided to start piece camps on people that I was going to connect to people were in different kinds of networks. And what we did because of the difference between the situation here and in England and that there is a common one be accessible. We pooled our resources have brought this find that it joins the public syndicate. And it's continued with the women's community at a seed stage in the actions Sometimes they're very few people, they're three or four, sometimes hundreds, and there's it's tended to be close to the activity fairly low during the webinar, but in the summer, this summer, they're planning an action around a week, late August, early August. Within the app, the theme of the action is the declaration of entered interdependence which is you know, sort of in keeping with the what we were talking about to create and this action is being coordinated you know, it's a series of things and y'all can get in touch with him in Romulus or there's an there's an action that's being held here at the Statue of Liberty and not a grace Do you know enough about that to Unknown Speaker 26:27 be well organized women they've had two different names at the time one is for women rising and the others Unknown Speaker 26:38 they have that women who originally shame so sweet whoever went on that era so they're really out of shape Unknown Speaker 26:53 and they're they're organizing from that distance which makes it hard to actually act on this they're acting at statue they start they have to have quotes and stuff like that which you need to get and they are planning the same sort of is on me which the statute of didn't take back scratch paper back and then take her and then take her torch and shine it Unknown Speaker 27:32 that's sort of nice way to bring it all together I right today but I actually I actually will probably hear about it very soon. And it probably will be information on WhatsApp what's the name of restaurants Unknown Speaker 28:16 and by virtue of being here, you can find your way out to various mailing lists about a summary of business or educational forums conferences case tests action this Unknown Speaker 28:32 I think this mailing list will sort of take responsibility to get seen you YouTube that you find out that Unknown Speaker 28:43 I mentioned there's something called agenda which covers these activities it comes to Syria management has some things face a church offices. Large churches are also going on Sunday literature is writing at some stage. So if you're interested in transforming spiritual language Unknown Speaker 30:18 there's also some money, your mission is always on the left side, which is working with flexible, inclusive language. attempt to bring feminine language about for the online world bias values into a journey process. Unknown Speaker 30:41 Really, there's, you know, there's really, I mean, truthfully, there should be a feminist piece in our newsletter or publication, there really isn't fun, though you have to do I mean, there should be probably at some point that would inform people about events and conferences and educational stuff and help deal with the network. Because I think one of the streets or the movement has been that decentralized affinity group consciousness raising, like structures, you know, on the other hand, don't necessarily, you know, talk you can be not knowing what other people are doing very easily. I mean, you know, that's the advantage of having a national organization. So, what you have to do is kind of really take some real initiative and avail yourself of different places and really loved but Unknown Speaker 31:39 I was just going to once again mentioned Monday 133, the demonstration against the Texas and there's also going to be a civil disobedience of the US missions sometime. Monday 130 gathering in route walking, and having a vigil. The other thing is that a few people as we went around and talked about an interest in non violence training, I'm a non violence treatment, if people are interested in that. And that was gonna start that by conflict resolution techniques. Some of it is but but it's also on training for civil disobedience, particularly issues. Unknown Speaker 32:26 I wanted to mention once again, it's so interesting Unknown Speaker 32:27 that connection between issues of not comes up with coincidence because Monday's Unknown Speaker 32:33 is the anniversary of Archbishop Romero's Unknown Speaker 32:35 death he's the self Unknown Speaker 32:41 service being held on day Unknown Speaker 32:43 one. So many horrors perpetrated on the world's people and also so many incidences of uprising by people. Almost any day. It's very, very sharp. Unknown Speaker 32:57 Today should pass on Monday. You I'm gonna turn this machine Unknown Speaker 33:03 on