Unknown Speaker 00:01 body in exemplifies women's life experience and potentially makes a different kind of politics. And so what I think we're going to do is have the three of us introduce ourselves, and then we'll proceed. Proceed with the workshop, I have to turn to something that flies. And so what we're going to do is we're going to talk and we're going to show some slides and talk some of the issues in the workshop. And then the more that we have to have time for discussion, and so forth. And so I think we hope to set up the room a little differently to break down the speaker audience dichotomy. We ended up with this half a table, right back in the middle of the room here again. So if we can sort of see like some prepping circles Unknown Speaker 01:01 so either the Lisa would like to introduce themselves. If you want to introduce yourself, yeah, my name is Genevieve Vaughn and I have worked with international for peace and food for the last two years perspective from our side, everybody. What's very nice, as some of herring lived outside the United States, it's nice to be sort of between this country, which doesn't, which is an island, so obviously, doesn't make the connections. And that's one of the reasons why we're stepping on anybody else. Unknown Speaker 02:02 I have worked for the last four years of the wars associated, coordinated Latin America. Unknown Speaker 02:14 I worked on the center, East Central America related actions on the one sisters, to watch the football player module, which is unusual. So I'd like to talk a little bit that's in the direction. Unknown Speaker 02:44 I wanted to start off by talking a little bit about my own reaction when I first saw the leaflet for this for the conference, and the listing for this workshop. It said, long Listen, we're talking about women's culture, and anti nuclear politics. And I wasn't quite sure whether I was feeling angry, pressed or what I knew that that wasn't what I had. When I had mine to talk about was women's cultural peace, politics, and sort of splitting up. Here's anti nuclear war external, we're in this corner. And it's done by this. Here's a piece about here's food and water concerns, and it's done over in this country by those polls, and we know a storm and it's a really false. And I think, especially at this point in history, and unusable breakdown Unknown Speaker 04:00 categories. Unknown Speaker 04:05 Women have always been involved in peace politics. I don't actually have a really well defined theory of why that is. It's just true. whether we've been organizing in women's only groups or as the leadership of mixed groups or as the leadership of Mexico we've been doing a lot more okay. I've worked both in in groups of only blacks on grassroots and neighborhood issues. I've worked for the last four years for the Warriors associate which is I'm sorry to say hardly last group. And, but what I hadn't worked with is what I consider to be really integrated groups. My own background is that my family is from Panama. And so my personal interest in what's been happening in Central America is high. But who I found, was interested in working on those issues. Were not the Hispanic community here in New York, which is part of my community. Increasingly, it's become the black community. Unknown Speaker 05:47 But sometimes church sometimes kinds of people. So we're trying to try not to worry so much about weather, about food. But it comes up, and it comes up, I think, because Unknown Speaker 06:16 the structure is that you figure out for how to work our culture. And it's too bad. But it's true. And I think you could spend a lot of time saying that they're not. To them sort of run into an explosion, when you have to sit down and work it all out. I think a lot of women's groups are in that are at that point. And trying to look at the kind of anger that we have between us on, on different on different issues. Sometimes disagreement on how we might decide to come about on an issue. I wanted to talk also a little bit about Jen's gonna show some slides from the peace candidate. So you'll see how many different kinds of cultures and to work, I think women will work with women and children, hopping programs. And so you can get more sense of that. But I've been thinking a lot about my own sources of inspiration. Barbara Reynolds, with her family sailed into the nuclear test waters in the late 50s. It's one of the women who worked in who started the past campaigns in South Africa, which today is the anniversary of they started the campaigns today Unknown Speaker 08:33 are other examples Unknown Speaker 08:40 just it's clear to me, that what we what we define as feminists as feminists organizing is different than just women organizing together. There is a but that doesn't mean that feminist organizing doesn't include issues of economic justice. Things like that. One of the actions that happened recently for international was in Chile, where women who are the mothers of the disappeared, got together with traditional venues or not, don't necessarily identify themselves as marginal Pinochet's house. They kept a vigil up all day they had obvious wisdom. So these are some of not only picketing disobedience, but we'd sit down in churches and make our repairs, which are less about about and the whole history of what's been happening just as there are lots of examples like this. And what I hope is that we can go around and talk about something later on. Unknown Speaker 10:45 But right now I'm actually feeling a little bit, I've sort of lost half of what I wanted to say, I'm feeling kind of nervous. And I know that something that's bothering me a lot today are two things that are happening. One is that that aplomb was tested in Nevada, this morning, which Reagan promised to do, which the Russians said they'd stop their testing. That's that that's just recently happened. And I know that there's going to be action for that. But what are the is that an above ground test or an underground test? It really it was this morning again, and we said we would abide by a treaty with the Russians this summer had a test. And, and said that they will, they will not test until they wouldn't test for six months. And they will consider not testing indefinitely, if the US would also not test at the time, he said. And this is just something this has been an effect for a couple of days depended on an extended, extended, and it was okay. And so here it is the launch a really clear decision to sort of flower that there is going to be a demonstration Monday at 130. But Unknown Speaker 12:34 it's this is like a shift from underground 60 to above, is most of our testing in the underground. Unknown Speaker 12:42 That's what I've heard. I just I just heard about this test last night. And I think it was what happened to training Unknown Speaker 12:54 that you can only test them to ground is that no longer valid? Or did we decide? I don't know. Unknown Speaker 13:00 I don't know. Unknown Speaker 13:01 I only I only got information? Do you think this will be granted? Unknown Speaker 13:09 But nonetheless, the issue is partly that, you know, this, this initiative of the test, a moratorium on Tech has been made by the Soviet Union has been explicitly set partly that this isn't a reaction to the contrary. You know, what I was thinking they said listening to you a little bit. Maybe it would be good since we are a relatively small group that we went around and people studied in most of demand let me just tell you that you know, my experience with these go rounds are that they you know that they're really interesting, but they can take us until five o'clock. So if we could, you know, if we could all be you know, just because there are so many things that we can do. Does that seem like a good idea? Insurance? Well, the maybe what we should do is is Do you feel like winning? But it's Kevin, I work with no business as usual, which is our National Action Network against more preparations. And I guess the thing that no business as usual says that may be a little different, a little different take from some other groups that are working around the operations is that we will live with this actually active preparation going on now for a little more than they are actually planning to launch and last year we had national decentralized local actions on April 29, which some of you might have heard about, are you participating in it? And this year, we're planning the same kinds of actions for April 21. And also for regional actions for October 20 of MSU. We're focusing on the Strategic Defense Initiative. And, you know, trying to get our perspective on that that is, indeed, the first strike weapons system. And I've been handing out this leaflet here, which is some of us are very concerned with some of the particularities of how this escalation towards protecting women in this country and abroad. So this goes into some of the particularities of carbon yet, and I'm a student at Columbia University education, and interested in developing theories for change, as opposed to how to evolve change than the push, push, push. So I'm interested. Unknown Speaker 16:00 I'm Laura Brown, and I'm also studying at Columbia and a general studies program, I'm primarily doing literature and I write, I really came to the conference because I've been thinking increasingly, that the final word that men have had to say in their development of Western culture is that they now know how to destroy everything they have created. And they have nothing more to say, unfortunately, and that I think women have now got to pick up and become the creative ones again, and, in effect, start creating culture again. And I'm afraid it's our responsibility to make sure that the nuclear arms race stops. Unknown Speaker 16:47 So I feel a personal responsibility Unknown Speaker 16:49 as a woman. Although I haven't done anything number one. Unknown Speaker 16:57 My name is Franz and I'm a student at southern Connecticut State University. And I came because I want to see how our women's center can get more involved in these issues Unknown Speaker 17:07 are something that we haven't moved on. Unknown Speaker 17:10 I'm Kathy McCarthy, I'm from Unknown Speaker 17:11 southern Connecticut State University in Maine and it turns out also your finance life is worth it ready for a really good is the same Unknown Speaker 18:01 thing I'm very long said I live on a Long Island. Within I don't know how many few 110 miles of the nuclear power plants are wet. And I've been learning about doing non violent civil disobedience, I have been doing that. But what I'm aware of more and more is my struggle, you said my need to do that with women only. I was taught and, and, and do a lot of work with mixed groups. And I just, I love your being so in touch with how you felt I would have won this morning. And there's something about that, and women that so peaceful, it has something to do with, not to mention women's anger. Unknown Speaker 18:54 Because they don't want to abstract out of the personal situation. They're willing to look at how it affects real people Unknown Speaker 19:01 exam. So I realized, oh, boy, here's a conference about this. I'm such good things to say. Unknown Speaker 19:14 My name is Judy Lindquist. I'm a graduate student at Bank Street, college and museums, special education. And I'm just very Unknown Speaker 19:24 concerned that very deeply concerned about the possibility of destroying the earth. Unknown Speaker 19:35 So outrages me and makes me so angry, I can Unknown Speaker 19:41 do something about it. Unknown Speaker 19:46 Well, my name is Mark. Bass. I am from Mexico. I have to move to New York. Well, I'm doing it. I'm doing a postdoc began writing in biology. I am interesting, first of all to see how the seminar organized in this country. Well, that's why I came to this meeting, but in particular to this walk to this worship, because, of course as US Latin American interesting also to see what's happening about and to see what the point of view of the persons in particular about this point in the future respect to Latin America, because even though we don't have for example, okay, now nuclear weapons there, I think that the whole reason of the way we are I'm Jeff Beal, I'm a student, a graduate student, studying Sociology at City University Graduate Center, doing work on issues of gender science and gender technology. I got involved in anti nuclear work during the reference cohorting referendum experiment. When I Unknown Speaker 21:25 teach her, she lives in New Jersey. And my first interest came when I went on that March of 750,000 people here in New York City, and it was it was a really a great high and I expected so much warmth from it, I thought the next month would have like 3 billion people as very, very excited. And then later on disappointed that that didn't happen. But it didn't stop me from keeping my interest on this horrible situation that we're in. Unknown Speaker 21:55 My name is Katherine, I work for philanthropists who are not very well. And I like working for six months like Sarah, and I've always been found there have been a moment before that. And I was struck by your comment about why I've always been involved in peace. And and I think that's true. And I think it is our responsibility that men to have a way of ability to abstract and they say it's inevitable that we are more like creatures, and it's inevitable that there's going to be more, and I don't think that's true. It's not in my nature to kill people. Unknown Speaker 22:38 And I'm a human being. So I don't accept that. And I think it's very important to know what to learn more about what people are doing and how to do something about it. Unknown Speaker 22:50 When it's Hillary and I just finished studying in School of International Affairs and Security Policy Studies. And I also would have liked to do studies but you can see everything. Particularly introverts Unknown Speaker 23:03 are some majors to put through. Unknown Speaker 23:09 But I'm particularly interested in Central America in a meeting Okay, good, but if anyone's interested this cat can become you militarization. My name is Elisa, I work for deputy PCR Unknown Speaker 23:31 to do Mr. Thompson. Unknown Speaker 23:47 Just cited from the peace camp in Nairobi to take some Unknown Speaker 23:58 time, just to show the slides and that people could maybe share some of the examples of women's actions that Unknown Speaker 24:12 they were on. Well, then I think that's we're gonna let Jim do was one of the inspirational and organizational forces behind doing this thing. So maybe you should explain really have an idea came about? Well, many of us, you know, we knew that we would conference the end of the decade. Conference was coming up and Roby and it seemed that piece was not going to be in the forefront. And that was going to be treated as a Soviet bloc. But doesn't that in that case, the whole women's, what women have to bring to these issues would not be heard. And that would have been a tragedy. Unknown Speaker 25:20 fact it was a women's conference, it was not feminist. But it was very exciting with things 50,000 women from lots and lots and lots of different countries, languages was just Unknown Speaker 25:41 getting creation chaos in the beginning treatment. So I'm part of the group call this time is international food, which is a small group that that just started as a radical, feminist, International Peace group, it's very small. But we were we have various reasons, in Geneva, a couple of years ago, on March 8, and we had an alternative meeting to a welfare event. And we just kept meeting again after that, because we came from 11 different countries, and we became friends. And so one, actually two, when he actually joined our group patch, from German Ted, down a Women's Center at peace meeting and product mix, basically, and probably, and that had a couple years before, and there have been very great success. So we decided to try to do the piece, say, at the Women's Network. And we had lots of women had connections with various people in the near the wealth people in here, and we're pulling lots of strings and making connections with people and so on. And also one of the women in the group had lived in Nairobi. So she and Edith Valentine will went to Nairobi, and got rented this tent, and also rented a place where these 35 women, different countries could stay. And then we have a meeting for that and talk about how we were going to organize there, it was, really what it was, was a lot of organization that went into woman instead of manning a place where spontaneous things could happen. And nobody really knew exactly what was going to happen. We had one principle, which was peacemaking should be fun. And in fact, it was we did things like singing songs repeatedly keep the tension down. And instead of clapping, we wiggle their fingers. To keep the pension from escalating. We used a couple of those, like sort of narrow nose entertainment, psychological tricks or something just to keep the lid for blind, steering, we have lots of different dialogues. Palestinian, Israeli, Serbian American, you know, various tension, loaded things, and some are more explosive than others. But in general, I should say, you know, we really did talk to each other. And there was a well, for example, we had the South African black woman speaking, we didn't have a white cell. There. We did. In a, you don't try for the objectivity, which takes him to the far, far right, because we know they're wrong. Unknown Speaker 29:34 Any rate, we heard an awful lot of talk about American imperialism, when we heard it, I mean, we opened our ears and heard it and a lot of it's true, but that I mean, and that's maybe a deeper analysis, an analysis of patriarchy. But we needed that. And all of the other analysis needed to be said to and it needed to. I mean, in a way it was funny what we did offer was less for freedom to speak with people. What they thought And it was a real good deal. It was also it was fun. Oh, come on. We also had, let's say. So we had hundreds of exhibits, we had the bulletin boards around and we had hundreds of exhibits that we had to rotate because women had brought so much stuff, in a way is that women have so much to say that in usually in conferences that they don't get a chance to say it. And this did give them a place to be heard. And I thought that was it. But then we had, we had two smaller tents and looking very big tent, the two smaller tents, one had videos, we had a space for people that had brought the videos to have those shown and then the other there was Unknown Speaker 30:45 people telling their personal histories. So we're just getting there, up to your chair we're just getting ready to show some slides from actually this is not as tough. This is not a show that I Unknown Speaker 31:16 put together. And the woman who did was sitting was one of the members of the group she was sitting in front of me she was mostly taking pictures of each individual as she spoke. So there are a lot of just individual portraits was kind of at the end. And not too many but at the beginning there are various some various other stuff we will explain as we go. Be would you like to introduce yourself as we we've all gone around and suddenly we aren't a whole lot of the people and what do you do what you're doing all right. Unknown Speaker 32:07 Okay, this is outside the house that we just outside the house that we rented. Yeah. And the woman that standing up with a movie camera is black German woman, she's, she's a singer. She was the daughter of African diplomat and German woman. And she was born there in Germany for the war. And she was tortured because she was black. And they made experiments on her and stuff. But she survived. I think there was one study, I don't know exactly. I think she was one of the only survivors of the whole concentration camp that she did. And now she is a singer P singer. Her name is Fazio dancer. And she doesn't speak much English but she's a fantastic singer. And you'll see other pictures of her and they were there outside of the heat that's outside of the house. And this woman is doing some leading to outstanding work we have the globe which we may this was originally Mary the Maryland where anxiety Americans peace person from New Zealand. She's actually the one who is responsible for if any one person can be said to be responsible for New Zealand's being a nuclear free zone and she is Yeah, Her idea was to do this glow and then have peace women's peace ideas written on it. So they're now these are the women they're going to give us your name Meryl wearing to really there there were too many of us for the house. Of course we slept on. You can change us again as well. We do that that's sharp metal structure underneath it. And then they put this on and painted everything. And at the end, we delivered it to the United Nation group there in that row. And it had grinding all over. It was really nice. It was really beautiful and significant. And I don't know what's happened to it. Now somebody finally said just what you could just take the outside off and take it over and that was the most simple solution but I don't think I think it's probably still at the Kenyatta. They're going to say This is a woman by the glow I think this is Unknown Speaker 35:04 probably a Japanese there was a wedding from Japan morning there at least. As you can see the glow of just a piece of Unknown Speaker 35:19 cake this is outside of Houston there's a market that blue and white stripe thing there is the case you should say something about the story that was a storyteller Unknown Speaker 35:35 blue triangle Unknown Speaker 35:38 that was where women who got together and told stories about their personal histories. Unknown Speaker 35:46 It was also really an incredible place in terms of the destruction the UN had set up. As an alternative to that there were all these buildings in this very academic setting. You were crowded into one auditorium or one classroom after another and it really was a place not only for women just to hear each other but to go and cool out I mean the floors were wood it smells nice that the chairs were gay with your body and it was a real comfortable place. Unknown Speaker 36:20 That's right and I think that was we were able to offer this hospitality really nicely let me tell you this. This is one of the exhibits these chairs these chairs will just change their space sorry Okay, there you can see the chairs in there see though they were $5 Each and we bought it beforehand and filled this the if they may not have vamping they're just beautiful and afterwards we get into another photo that it was filled with these and you can see their banners and people brought their balloons with P stamps on the big broad their exhibits behind it It did smell one they had a wonderful energy and after you had done that, I think it was Unknown Speaker 37:28 these are just pictures of people that were there and there were three like dialogues every day three main three, four main programs and then things interspersed in between. And just another shot that's singing. Yeah, and we sang and sang sang after every third speaker. We were up to things and it was it really made it good. I mean what we did was just you know think about how to make it easy on people. What did you say? Well we sang Unknown Speaker 38:14 We sang We Shall Overcome okay, we know this you this is a Palestinian fazia has sooner. This is during the Palestinian Israeli that's and this says Alice Weiser is in our Greek events. The Zoa is the was the Soviet Unknown Speaker 39:00 woman, main, most talkative Soviet woman. She was testing wonderful. She was a really she was really great in lots and lots of ways. She was smart. She was a good speaker of English. And she was very nice. Here's Java. She was jolly. And the kids didn't you can't see her face because she looks like Middle America Unknown Speaker 39:31 I think this is fasciae the woman from Germany on campus she did a lot of some skeptical works. Everything happened you know from joy to despair. One thing you can see in this picture and some of the others something that tried to convey is what what lines See that many different looking remember that many different places in one place talking together, I think to the most exciting thing was to how we understood each other that really was common ground. I mean, you could just touch it with your hands was really there. Unknown Speaker 40:16 And you have the turkey and Unknown Speaker 40:18 know that Kenya is the people who can speak English. But you had so many people well, people spoke Spanish that were interpreters. That was the only actually there were a few people speaking French, but otherwise people spoken. Yeah. Well meaning origin that's what it wasn't as much of a defect as I think. Except there that probably there wasn't enough Spanish spoken, but there was some so yeah, yeah. Education for policy change toward peace and development Monday, June 15. Moderator I think she's announcing a workshop. I mean, one thing that was really striking about this conference was there were so many workshops going on that you couldn't possibly you couldn't possibly take it all there. I mean, people I mean, I people went through that whole sort of circuit and went through whole specialties of things. You know, you could just do any subject matter. You wanted technology sex, who pays? I mean, it was just every kind of thing that you can imagine that you never did you ever get out of the piece to go into to work. But everything happened in peacetime to somebody really Yeah, you could be in the decent but it was the the sound was overcrowded. People say okay, I couldn't see and it's too hot so I'll go very experienced adults adult children, these are people we just spoke with. This is temporary sewing up the world that's sewing up the world. This is a wonderful one we should do something like that. This is really kind of go quick. Y'all want to stop this lower anything to say? There's singing this oh, this is? Oh, this is the she's made. And Unknown Speaker 43:30 she This is Orlando the Kelly's sister. And Isabella tell you? She's a lawyer. Yeah, she's a lawyer. And she works. She runs a group called Mo, which is like a Lawyers Committee for people who are who've been detained and stuff like that. And she was there for the tank. Unknown Speaker 43:57 I thought she was the enzyme right? I thought she was maybe. Yeah, there were differences here and the first day with Angel gay disco, and Sony Johnson and welcome to this panel of patriarchy. In fact, you can go ahead and change this suddenly Jonathan's mother she was doors, everybody. Ava. She's, oh, she's not interested in during disagreeing with people and Unknown Speaker 44:43 I say that, at this women's conference. Ours was placed where patriarchy was mentioned. It really wasn't in the title of the other workshops. Live in your wherever you're at So Unknown Speaker 45:05 these are Kenyan women. There were a lot of Kenyan, there were so many African women. And we're talking about these women from Germany. I've been wanting to appease that in Greece, in Germany and in Belfast. And we've been talking about doing when maybe in Washington during the summit, or at least lately it also during the summer. But I was really thinking that the character of the beast came from the public and entertainment women that were there, and a lot from the African women, so I don't know, maybe, you know, different people do it in different countries with different but there were lots of women, the Kenyan government had announced that this International Women's Conference was going on and I guess encourage people Yeah, and they, they really, they came with lots of interest is it seriousness and joy as well and then just, I mean, it was just wonderful. The thing is, we really had a lot to say each other it was it was great. These women from the remarkable villages we've never been outside of Kenya so I mean, most of the people who were who got their mother country were probably much more educated you know, people who had access to this kind of resources knowing about it getting there somehow but the Kenyan women you know, there was a whole cross section and Kenyan in there who brought up and that was great, they did have integrity and a representation I think that just keep showing I wanted to mention there so keep all along. There was a group of women of all nations who came to a village this Unknown Speaker 47:00 village Unknown Speaker 47:05 in Bahrain Unknown Speaker 47:12 southern Mexico City and they are helping and the credits would show that but it was interesting because it was hard to measure the official comments as long as it and it was analysis there's lots to say that Unknown Speaker 47:51 in some local conferences going on I have tremendous Unknown Speaker 48:17 people coming up to Unknown Speaker 48:19 me to speak at level choose Unknown Speaker 48:29 people with fragile representation the local approach there's been another conference which is a major major umbrella for economic development self sufficiency Unknown Speaker 49:35 so I think that the forum was a place you usually go and nobody said women to serve God is different from the bishop, which were government That's also atmosphere maker was the only one it was it was they were in some quasi official. Unknown Speaker 50:17 Very quiet Unknown Speaker 50:23 Marilyn wearing what's responsible? Unknown Speaker 50:28 Yeah, she can you explain? Well, she was in Parliament. And I'm not sure that parliamentary mechanisms there but she ever crossed the line another government got turned out to the rest of the popular Unknown Speaker 50:53 now did she she did this just through some personal action on her own. Well, Unknown Speaker 50:58 this was the Yeah, she was a parliamentarian. And she has been a she was she was Unknown Speaker 51:09 she was quite amazing. That one person Unknown Speaker 51:14 responsible? Well, it was that it happened because of this mechanism. But she was like I said, if one person said responsible she was. But she just happens sometimes you can use parliamentary mechanisms to do that. She lost her job. Unknown Speaker 51:40 But I think it was worth Unknown Speaker 51:47 I mean honesty Unknown Speaker 51:52 there if that if that was possible. Maybe there's something that we can learn from the way that we work there. To bring about change in the United States, but the only reason why I haven't mentioned what is in other words, what is it that women can do as he has a body that will make the government change? If we all went on Congress? Would that? What what are the mechanisms that we can make? Because it's obvious that no matter how many people sit around and agree about something, yeah, yeah, yeah, click, what can we do exactly how that will work? Because women standing there sitting around talking about things is historically, unfortunately, not as effective as it should be? And what what do you feel that we can Unknown Speaker 52:46 do? I think it's very important to use your imagination, and do things do something different. When, for example, he said, we didn't know what it was really going to be. And then was, they're able to become what the collective made it into structures for keeping the peace. So it was a collective expression. And then what was new and about it was that we were able to offer this. And I think a lot of times, we were talking before about the UN and how boring it is. And just so many words go on and on forever. And nobody, they really this very, very boy. So what you need to do is gestures, you know, actions, speak louder. And there's a lot of stuff that semiotics going on. Well, it's sort of a macro sign rather than verbal, or non verbal. Unknown Speaker 54:00 Different countries are still growing lots and lots, and lots and lots of Unknown Speaker 54:09 networking. That group that did put it on was an international group. We were this international group of women, it's about 25 or 30 other countries, mostly European. And even that has been an important thing to do to become a close network, sort of like friends. Yeah. Internationally, and, you know, people in the United States I started out this way we really are an island. And in a way we really don't hear other people. We don't see the other point of view we come away from our mother countries. pastors have rejected us we were too poor and so we upgraded or whatever happened. And then we rejected them and we have listened to them ever since. And it's really important and in a way one of the easiest things to do is get people to listen to other points of view and just get let other people be heard let other women from other countries be heard in the United States Unknown Speaker 55:31 especially small actions minute to something that you might want to do in that situation, so to speak, and the founder of the hotel, he was speaking, and they they started by just booking and they didn't know what Unknown Speaker 55:58 they were going to do what they booked Unknown Speaker 56:01 and then they found out Unknown Speaker 56:04 I don't really know all the details of how but what what the program Unknown Speaker 56:13 he was good at, literally Unknown Speaker 56:14 printed his speech, today's agenda, so they have some facts that are printed on the internet in that type, and color paper, exactly that shape. And they got dressed up, and they got their hotel room. And they went into and then went to and they passed out these programs that said something Unknown Speaker 56:47 very different and Unknown Speaker 56:48 that's what churches Churchill's agenda also at a certain point in that conversation has stood up to me throw them at your table they will immediately jump in but the news about that event is that he has said and so I think there's sort of a lot of that kind of thing there's a there's been a group that goes around New York talking about sort of training on images of women that come around with trends that have little toy soldiers to to trick them into some responsibility they go up to people on the street sidewalk cafes. Wonderful things about this time of the conference I guess the main slide your picture Unknown Speaker 58:38 there a woman made film based in Germany I'm not sure if it's out yet. Unknown Speaker 58:48 Yes this is sneaking Shabbat tradition Unknown Speaker 59:04 as Chancellor Unknown Speaker 59:06 where she is coming up opens doors for is fairly central. extra hour in the morning resources out I use it at a neighborhood schools serve daycare education so Unknown Speaker 1:00:32 when I went to Duke University and CMAA was to come every year to recruit students seniors, CIN is a pretty conservative campus. At the time that I was there, I felt that it can't support any longer. But people really, you know, want to work for the CIA and lined up and everything I got dressed up in the best suits Hotel. So about six of us dressed up like we were gonna go out and interview, we did a little research and we looked into some CIA initiated bat conflicts that have been around the world, got some names of people that have been killed, and we made little posters that we warm at our desks with the name of the person that day that they were killed. And we shipped our bags, and we still mine placement office, when the CIA showed up, we had it die and we all fell over like we had done and we got thrown out but it made the front page of the student newspaper and I think that they were used a little Unknown Speaker 1:01:44 better than if that's the only thing you do in your whole life. Unknown Speaker 1:01:49 I think it's interesting how the CIA is being confronted and even thrown off maybe we can talk a little about that kind of you know, there was there was an anti CIA workflow on campuses and also the anti apartheid stuff that I'd be interested in hearing from some of the students because I've noticed some of that and how much awareness there is that the oppression of women is interpenetrating with the kind of discussion that people are having a better which is like Parkland central isn't going to be a piece of art question is essentially they enhance the station's streaming service each of the stations in places like the bracelet is the biggest church we have other places my portion is drawn on servers virtualization last year which was very factual because there's so much. addition Unknown Speaker 1:04:46 to that wasn't there a request that people who participated carried away with Unknown Speaker 1:04:52 lots of different laundry are lots of different sections. Unknown Speaker 1:04:58 Now talking about wounds Give me pause Unknown Speaker 1:05:10 bring your whatever religious Unknown Speaker 1:05:21 I was just wondering because I saw I was Unknown Speaker 1:05:27 well I think this year for some reason we're not going to be in trouble there isn't there is some industry know I mean, the day Unknown Speaker 1:06:03 it's Friday Unknown Speaker 1:06:06 there starts at 830 you're interested in this very thing Unknown Speaker 1:06:37 yourself, so you in civil grace Unknown Speaker 1:06:46 I wanted to go back, somebody said something about the connections between women's movements or women's business and other actions on campuses, and apartheid, especially things I just want to tell you, I saw that six or eight months ago, I have a happen to be in a West Coast. I was at Stanford University, and I had tremendous, very terrific apartheid actions going on today's day, today for six days, hundreds and hundreds of students were acting on it. At the same time, Playboy did come to campus to get some ways and so, the, the I feel it is loaded people well, but I just met them, I just happen to meet him. And the yoke and the women's women's studies, people at Stanford, really acted on it right away, and connections were made in all the talks between this, this system of one system of oppression and another and, and they really wrote the guy at a step at a time. And at the same time, just to show you the very same time, the sense that some of the things happening in Berkeley, but for some reason, at Berkeley, when when when women went to the here, or you know, maybe woman some of this, I don't know whether it was the Women's Studies and women's caucus and whatever. But at Berkeley, there were these apartheid actions at the same time, and when and then and Playboy went to accumulate the women and and they went to people went to speak to the women's studies or caucus or whatever. And they said they really didn't have time for that they were really quite tight work on this. So I really want to bring that up because I thought it was really important what you said and that this connection is a really valuable and it's really it seems to me to Austin connections because if you just leave them lying around, they will be put together. Unknown Speaker 1:09:24 We were just talking before about how regen was made the connection between the contract a nuclear issue so to mention Unknown Speaker 1:09:35 the contract a testing Libya's order because why not test it? Unknown Speaker 1:09:46 Libya, right so So he's saying that you know, because you got to get on contract and now I'm going to test this out muscles Unknown Speaker 1:10:12 a parent Unknown Speaker 1:10:15 spent interesting about Reagan why Reagan does the things that he does, we were talking, I'm taking a course here at Barnard called Women in antiquity. And the subtitle of the course is the history of Western attitudes towards women. And what we were talking about in the class yesterday was development of a moral code. And how do men develop a moral code opposed to how women develop moral code, which is something that Carol Gilligan talks about in her book in a different voice, which the speaker this morning had mentioned. And one thing she talks about in that book is that women tend to develop a moral code, through thinking about how other people feel and how they couldn't help them. Whereas men tend to think of a moral code in terms of doing what they want to do to, as far as they can do it without hurting someone else, but not trying to help anyone else. And that, on a scale of development of morality, the more mature and developed moral code is the one that does consider other people's needs as well as the individuals and doesn't, doesn't try to develop a morality based on abstractions. In other words, things like the state is more important than individual problems. This is illustrated, I don't know how many of you know play Antigone, but in it, a young girl buries her brother, who has been whose burial has been banned by the head of the state. And there's this conflict between individual morality and the morality of a man who has enabled to go who's unable to go beyond an abstraction, the idea of the state. And we were talking about how Reagan is a perfect model of this in the modern time, and that he cannot go beyond the abstractions of communism versus democracy. Everything is reduced to that abstraction. And he cannot think about what is really involved in Nicaragua, what is really involved in Africa, what is really involved in any of these incendiary places in the world. Now he cannot think in on a human level, and he cannot see the plurality involved. He can only see this duality, communism and democracy. And if someone is not communist, they must be democratic, the Contras must be good, because they are fighting to Congress. So I think it's important to realize that we're talking about a man here who is severely handicapped moral. I'm serious. I mean, he may be president, but there's something very wrong with him. And tickets. I'm not saying that just because I don't agree with the man. But I'm saying it because I think women have a responsibility to make their moral code and institutionalized code, that we have to institutionalize thinking about other people, both on a personal level and on a political level. And America that doesn't, doesn't do that America thinks about herself, and then looks. for countries that have always been female, female always, Unknown Speaker 1:13:52 except for Germany's think I think it's a real, you know, it's a real mistake. And I'm thinking, though, to think too much about blaming it on Ronald Reagan, though, obviously, by your moral code. I mean, I think that's good model. And I would say, though, the thing is the United States, not Reagan's interest in the United States, it's not even that I will try and do what it wants as much as it can without hurting it, which I don't try and do it what it needs to do, and doesn't work hurts, but you know, but it is, but it thinks that it's helping itself of it. You know, it goes back to what Jim was saying about, you know, the blindness The United States has about other countries because the US basically lives off of the blood of the rest of the world, right. Like men live off the blood, right, you know, so there are a number of repetitions. But the thing is like, it's not just Reagan, but the changes in US nuclear war fighting doctrine templates under the Carter administration, when they went over from mutual assured destruction to really go into But first strike us strategy. And that was the kind of physiological groundwork being laid in the government for, you know, other really heavy duty news we've seen towards both, you know, regional war conscious and Central America and Libya, you know, all those other kind of flashpoint places around the world plus World War, it was like, under Carter. So I think that it's important to look systemically at what's going on and not, you know, focus on one individual or even one of them stration Unknown Speaker 1:15:39 except that that individual represents the problem back in this country elect such an individual is simply Unknown Speaker 1:15:50 that it's almost like he is he's the perfect representative for that up fam. It wouldn't be someone else's beautiful lawn. Unknown Speaker 1:16:03 When Mexico, we have one person, so both for this Unknown Speaker 1:16:08 woman. Do you do action? And do you? Do you do public actions Unknown Speaker 1:16:14 that well, we excuse like, he looks at my friends, and they're trying to get contact with other sciences Exigo because they are so or they are not organized. I share the being that you're not organized, it's difficult to get. Unknown Speaker 1:16:39 It just seems like we need to find some way to get back to that. As women, I remember the impact that women's Pentagon actually had on me when it first happened. That and I wasn't part of organizing it or anything I just went then it was a big deal. And, and I remember the momentum that that, that that action that. I mean, it was sort of one action, maybe other people who were part of it, no, that it was more than one action. But from Manhattan side, it seemed like one thing that women were doing. And it had an enormous effect seems to me, it had that effect for a certain number of years. And now there's a real need to figure out how to have some effect like that, again, I'm how how to regroup in some way that something like that happens. Unknown Speaker 1:17:38 Well, I also went this year to this Women's Summit went to. And I was 36 Women in a way it should have been much broader group and so on should have also been in the national or racial mix. Everything but it was a first step. And they were talking this morning about the structure of representation. When I was looking at how there were there was the podium up at the top and all the people sitting there and they sort of turn over the force of the generality to the one person that's standing up there, the same thing we do a president or our representatives, and the same thing that we've done in having this sub very clearly hierarchy with the two minutes. Yeah, okay. So what we did as women was just to be there. Gorbachev did receive as they actually talked to Jesse Jackson, it was there. A couple of other men, and then all of these women and we really were more or less a silent presence. There was the Pentagon ribbon, and that was given to someone so that the women were standing in the same room and we did make the effort to go there and be a women's presence to interrupt this hierarchical image at least and that now this summer, they're going to do another action for me summit that I would say that it's important to try to break through those images which seem to have but really iron Oh, on our imaginations and that we're not part of that at all. And to recognize them where they are and the you know, to be there as for the silent masses who were benefit Unknown Speaker 1:19:47 for to a senator. And also because the last thing we need is for these two guys to come to an agreement on our karma. That doesn't really help any Right yeah else in the world except them, okay, you get the way problems have been solved since the end of time shot. The reason you're in so many troubles is because Charlemagne had three sons. And he divided up into three parts, what where we are now. And the reason it does is because they ended up with that even. The reason we're trouble here is the United States didn't give Unknown Speaker 1:20:30 so much of the carpet, it depends on the dividing principle to, you know, if you were to say something about this continent ecologically, a lot of other places that are reasonable ways that certain things, you know, the Native Americans divided things up along certain watersheds, I believe it was, and the whole North America zone was Turtle Island, and there was a whole kind of way that it was done so that a reasonable ecosystem, which could sustain its own self, its life, and it had a culture that was coherent and have some relationship to the natural world in which it existed in the climates that people face in their day to day life. When they were making the things that they needed, and they can culture, anything, there's a different sort of system of organization where so in that sense, decentralization is not the same thing as the fragmentation of just sort of arbitrarily slicing something up, you know, giving a Victoria one knows, what's his name, the other one. And so, you know, people who are part of, you know, same ecosystems not in the same tribal situation. So I have lines drawn right in the middle and having nothing to do with the human beings of the organic system or any of that. But I think that that arbitrariness about our relationship to the rest of the natural world characterizes militarism, and this sort of arrogance of Reagan, and so on. The decision to get off the bomb this morning, after vote against a to the conference in Central America, and the kind of disregard for what the implications of that could be, show that, in my mind, these issues of ecology, and protection of the natural world and a recognition of our fragile relationship to that word of God is the whole planet and the interconnection and the necessity in the rest of it is, these issues are really connected. And I think that that's a connection that needs to be made. Maintain much more strongly, you know, as we do an anti militarist College has gotten a bad rap is a kind of indulgent movement for people who really don't have to worry about the shelter. Why, but I think that's not really true. Have you seen in connection to these other issues? And so I wanted to say a few things about, you know, I think some of the points that are coming out here are a little bit, you know, which is it seems to me, like there's certain things that have characterized feminist actions, I can take Stimson interesting this morning, because she was going on about Unknown Speaker 1:23:19 the record representation of women in the world, and do we even want that sort of representation? And then how do we go about structuring something if we don't want to be represented in that way? No, then who, and then who defines and articulates our images and so forth? I mean, I'm no see mutation. So I don't understand all the jargon and so forth. But, you know, I think I got the gist of it. And, you know, it's interesting that even in this conference, we don't really know how we we have a whole partaken of way, you know, which draws on things that are normally feminist, Jim was saying that, you know, there's certainly see the exports of certain European valence electrons who received the annotations and structuralist and post structuralist and all that on this critique in the feminist have drawn a lot on you know, Marxism, psychoanalysis, a whole lot of different traditions to develop a critique of the singular voice and the power of representative and all that sort of thing. But you know, even when we come to a conference like this, and we go to living institutions, what we get is a stage of their and audience with the chairs like this. And, you know, some people are here, some people are photographers, some people are gazers, and some people think Daisy is, I guess, you know, like we saw in the movie with Katharine Hepburn. And it seems like, you know, what we really, to me, at least, is that there's certain things that we've been talking about here and among the things that have been mentioned, or actions that people here have engaged in, which aren't so well known and some of the other ones that are more well known, like the women's Pentagon action and the priesthood and the non are named action And then the whole and for me, the sun and all of that, it seems to me like what these things have in common is an attempt for women to enter the public world in a different way and sort of create a different public discourse to do what cetaceans would call rhetoric or text, you know, sort of business as usual? And how do you expect the store you can see, or who what you expect the composition of the assembly to be, or the polity or whatever it is, and for women to enter into that process, if we can retain the kind of, you know, different perspective that people for this video was talking about, and do that bring that into the public world, and use it in some kind of creative way? It seems to me like that sort of the challenge that we're faced with, you know, because one of the strengths of feminist culture, women's culture, I think the strength lies in the fact that it's been separate from and different from the culture of men in the lives of men and all of that. So how do we challenge those public walls, enter into those political struggles without becoming, you know, adopting and taking on those same values, and those same ways of fighting? And, you know, we also are faced with this question of effectiveness and needing to do something immediate now, that's going to be either accomplish this or stop that. And, you know, so it's hard, you know, and yet at the same time, we need to kind of have a utopian vision and a new process, and all those kinds of things. So we're working with a lot of different pressures, if we don't do it differently, you know, then it will never be different. But if we do it differently, and try and proceed in a way that seems organic in this, you know, something that we don't even quite know, what, what client can see differently in this political way. But do we have the time to do that, you know, and so on. I mean, I really believe that we have to. And I think that there are plenty of people who are going to, you know, continue to work in traditional ways, and that we should do that too. But that the things that have had have the possibility of breaking through that it's have a particular kind of imaginary potential, I mean, a sort of great leap for the imagination, in politics, and how would you do this stuff? And I mean, some of these things have to do with connecting the issues and always making those connections, I mean, that the most truthful actions, really are those that, you know, tell the truth about the whole range of things, whether it's convenient for that moment or not, you know, and it's also more complicated. I mean, I've had the dubious job if the first one was Pentagon actually talking to the press about what this action was bad. And they say, Oh, well, this is a gift to nuclear weapons, citizens that have notes now to get trying to tell them all that all that it was about, you know, to skeptical, cynical, male reporters from the New York Times and places like that. I mean, I don't know that they ever got it. But I think a lot of women did get it. And the woman sitting here next to me just said, What is the next woman's pentagon? Unknown Speaker 1:28:11 And, you know, everywhere. Right, I mean, this is action seems to have sort of lived in the hearts and imaginations and a lot of them who weren't there and who weren't who were there. And I mean, I'm always glad to hear I mean, that's always very affirming prevented those who are involved in organizing it and doing it and so on. But it also seems to me like it's a, it's a product of women's imaginations of which we need many, not just when it's the next women's Pentagon action, but you know, what possible initiatives of all kinds are there that we can take? I mean, maybe we need another women's Pentagon action to you know, it's not just that that's that actually, I mean, in the Nairobi piece that has really, you know, sort of taken on a legend all its own. And I think some of my feeling about it was that it was because in the middle of this kind of traditionally structured conference, it provided this open space for end of it for women to really speak, you know, there wasn't really such a star system of, you know, certain people really speaking for representing certain other people. I mean, obviously, people make speeches and all that sort of thing. But, I mean, the podium was, I think, I don't even know if there was a podium, I think there was, I was gonna say it was really pretty low. There was there wasn't it wasn't in good grades. Yes, exactly. A dye has. You know, there have just been, you know, there and there been different kinds of actions. I mean, the peace camps, which are representative, permanent demonstrations, trying and struggling all the time to make these connections between peace and social justice, all sorts of other social justice issues, I think really come out of that kind of imagined nation. And I think also some integration of, you know, what we would call the spiritual and the political or the recognition that that is something that's really important within the spirituality movement has developed all kinds of ways of people being together, finding a group and, you know, calling in the woman spirit, and all that sort of stuff, but many women that don't necessarily engage in political action. On the other hand, I think people who are in political groups and so on me, you can experience a certain amount of discouragement burnout and something else, if you don't have something that's sustaining you in some way to express that. So, you know, the, the inner the bringing of ritual into political action and political life and political thinking, and a spiritual dimension, and the use, I think, of theater, you know, which is really what the most Pentagon actions, which something was gonna go to action did, are really are really critical, and the kind of imaginative sort of things that, you know, that they can do, or are, I think, even more called for now than ever, I mean, sometimes there's this critique, raise, well, we just have to go in there and, you know, narrow down to one issue, and just work on that, and never mind all the differences, and it will just be a coalition. And I think the problem with that is that no one is really fully enthused about that and telling their deepest truth. And it certainly doesn't really represents everything that we've learned from feminism, about how we work together, and how to connect issues and how to do all this stuff. And so I think that nonviolent imaginative action by women, you know, using our women's imagination, and the symbols and things that come out of our own lives, is what we really have to do, I mean, some of what some of that can, that can be turned on its own head that may have even been, at some point put on us in a bad way. Even the things that Kate was talking about this morning about Unknown Speaker 1:32:06 who defines women's lives, who says what symbolizes women's lives, who says what it means to be a woman to be the feminine. So in a way, I think, at the same time, feminism has moved to deconstruct that kind of gender and to say, who says this is what it is to be a woman anyway, and, or even who says, there's any such thing as a woman as a particular gender, maybe there's just a person, or maybe there isn't one, but maybe it has nothing to do if we weren't pressed as women, if there wasn't patriarchy, maybe it has nothing to do with what women, what women's lives are like now, or how they're represented. Now, we've oppressed situation, maybe there's some other whole thing that needs to be women that we don't really know, because we haven't lived in a situation where we could, you know, define and be themselves. So but it is still possible to take some of those things that have that meaning for us, and the ways in which the fences and the peace camps are decked and decorated by pictures of children and poetry and, you know, various baby clothes and ribbons and the way in which textiles and have been used by Chilean women, all kinds of banners and things that have been done, the appropriating of those forms that have those intimate needs for us, and the use of them in the public world, I think helps really a lot to make these connections. And so it seems it's so I think that what, you know, what we're faced with those also, I mean, what I personally faced with, is the fact that a lot of these political actions that I've been quoted in feminist movement have been done primarily by white women, and has also not had a very profound international consciousness and that Americans are very conventional a certain way and that there have to be way short of, you know, of overcoming that and of having more international kind of consciousness. And while also working in a in a in a broader way, you know, we can't I mean, this idea that root pits