Unknown Speaker 00:00 Pop is the street culture black and Puerto Rican youth in New York, which has grown to involve people of all different ages and backgrounds. The name he pops encompasses three, dynamic and artistically innovative for him. So what you're feeding, breakdancing, and rap music. Addressing graffiti writing is particularly relevant for discussion because of its continual challenge as the looping and opposition of movement. We can discuss breakdancing and rap music as well after the presentation. While the commercialization of breakdancing and rap music has made this form more acceptable, repeated rights still remains an illegal activity. The recent popularity of a stylized post graffiti art movement has only diverted attention from ongoing official opposition of subway graffiti. The oppositional character of graffiti writing extends beyond its defiance of official public legality, as it also questions dominant interpretations of art as an individual expression. Instead of limiting creative work to art schools, galleries, or museums or any other designated areas, Unknown Speaker 01:20 graffiti exposes Unknown Speaker 01:22 artistic expression to broad public scrutiny, and provides numerous alternative spaces for its execution resemble the subway cars the origins of subway graffiti they back to the 50s and 60s when black and Puerto Rican when black and Puerto Rican teenagers established a tradition of intricate world graffiti and to get a sense of new New York, in the 50s street graffiti were widely used to proclaim gangs holding its territory or to intimidate rival gangs. During the 60s, Walter Philly became a communications network, with extolling its aesthetic standards. Well, and so we graffiti of the New York style. Unlike other graffiti for example, bathroom graffiti serve not merely to label but to reveal and even to proclaim the author's identity and ideas. To transition from wall to Subway graffiti New York began by most accounts in the late 60s With tacky 183. He lives in 180/3 Street in Manhattan, and he he worked as a messenger. He traveled by subway and wrote his name everywhere, including in the train stations and in the subway cars. After tax when eaten free was interviewed by the New York Times reported in 1971, a growing movement emerged among the city's teenagers. The most salient innovation of subway graffiti is the use of spray paint. As a medium and artistic medium. Traditional world with 3d we're dealing with markers, and the changes in style brought about by subway graffiti require more and better and more expensive materials for writing. Another new element of subway writing is the increased circulation of the graffiti images and messages. While the graffiti style of the 50s and 60s did not travel outside the city ghettos, thus remaining invisible to many, so we graffiti has added dimensions of color and movement to a traditional quest for self information. graffiti writers major concern is getting that that is to get the name out to get recognition and acceptance by the peers from the peers and others. However, over the course of the years style has become increasingly important. Style is the form and shape of the letters and how they connect the refers to color, movement and direction. There are also more generic categories of style based on geographical references that the writers speak of the Brooklyn style and the Manhattan style. The success of the writers depends on the frequency with which they write, and their technical or to keep innovation. Style is closely related to forming graffiti forms refer to the weight letters are built to add up to a name a word or message. Style appears in combinations of seven basic forms, tags, ropes, pieces, short for masterpieces, and two ends. Top to bottom is postcards and hold trains. I'm going to show some slides in various forms. Unknown Speaker 04:41 Most of this is Unknown Speaker 04:43 likely you can see are from a book that I have with me from Subway art, graffiti, subway graffiti by Henry Chalfont and Martha Cooper, many of the slides the ability to create and handle stop Pilate modern, mostly graffiti writers. The creation of style is based on notions that reflect the rightest reputation beautifying what they consider an attractive Unknown Speaker 05:18 first slide Unknown Speaker 05:19 was like tags. These are tags in the early 70s tags are the simplest type of wallet so we repeat their names that usually identified writers throughout Unknown Speaker 05:31 their careers. As you can Unknown Speaker 05:35 note, if you're already named some women they're even the barber Unknown Speaker 05:43 writers, this is the throw off by quick the Unknown Speaker 05:47 1982 to throw up Unknown Speaker 05:49 another simple form that you're shortening form, form to to single unit while tags are linear, Unknown Speaker 05:59 and totally margins Throggs around mobile letters, frayed cords inside sample by late payments female writer pieces consists of four Unknown Speaker 06:15 or more letters representing a name or word they are painted to meet Unknown Speaker 06:19 the Windows is sometimes COVID. So we park from end to end. This one is by late heart another female writer Unknown Speaker 06:25 done in 1980. Unknown Speaker 06:29 Representing Her name is Juan Feinstein, the 1982 Unknown Speaker 06:35 representative for pain, suffering speech recognition with the writers strike Unknown Speaker 06:41 for them to answer names and declarations that extends for example from Unknown Speaker 06:47 one end of the park to the other. They are usually often the result of collective efforts. This one is by seeing the 92 Unknown Speaker 06:57 United Artists Unknown Speaker 07:02 top to bottom name or decoration that sits behind the car with minestrone the homeland Unknown Speaker 07:11 could be attacked by Unknown Speaker 07:12 by met the 92 Unknown Speaker 07:16 the previous one done by February Unknown Speaker 07:25 All cars are painted from top to bottom and AnswerIn openings within the windows. Unknown Speaker 07:31 This whole car by me with the 1979 talked about next one is by demo and paint. Unfortunately I have one slide one shot through the Unknown Speaker 07:46 tool showing two slides. This was the 1983 Unknown Speaker 07:50 by demo and lead paint the next one was Unknown Speaker 08:01 by smiling and head Unknown Speaker 08:03 over to the old style that a 9080 Unknown Speaker 08:10 and this one is by dandy dandy 1980 another whole world trains are painted by groups of riders from top to bottom and Unknown Speaker 08:23 the supreme child. First of all, train by most accounts was taken in 1976. By Kane net one Oh 3.1 was called the freight train I don't have a slide of it. Train was taken out of service like the MTA Unknown Speaker 08:40 performing people could see very rare that you would see a whole train running. Unknown Speaker 08:46 So forms have progressively evolved from tags to hold trains. So they are often used to obtain the illusion of horns in case indicates the complexity of virtually writing. From an individual active self expression tax Unknown Speaker 09:01 writers have turned refuted to movement of collective efforts into ends for cars and trains Unknown Speaker 09:10 on permeations of silent thread three dimensional Unknown Speaker 09:14 easy one by Team 297. Also Wildside lettering. Examples of top one style boards Unknown Speaker 09:28 by not done in 1981 Unknown Speaker 09:32 uses both Wi Fi and straight letters to emphasize the difference of style. To the right to the left you have wildstyle lettering and Unknown Speaker 09:41 you're on the right Unknown Speaker 09:46 one to Lowe's by staff and face the Unknown Speaker 09:49 nightmare too. Unknown Speaker 09:52 And also the use of cartoon characters. Very, very good The cartoon characters are widely used things like 3d writing. Messages are also important elements of silly repeating the range from writers comments on their own cases for personal and political claims Unknown Speaker 10:16 including those particular expressible Unknown Speaker 10:19 young women experienced writers explain the word sorry about the juicy apologize for the word explain to paint explain why it is not okay to fucking darkness and tunnel My hands were cold too late to hire and so on. dedications are Unknown Speaker 10:45 coming in so where your feet is was struggling to smother the case that used Unknown Speaker 10:50 for birthdays or anniversaries more political themed messaging statements like this one we are unstoppable and catchy obviously to the authorities and this one is voice and detachment by me, Unknown Speaker 11:18 done in 1978 Stop real crime refer to refreshing of the authorities intrepid writing. Unknown Speaker 11:31 And several messages.com Watch that when was done by spin Unknown Speaker 11:36 92. To the right is that once stopped. They stopped listening listening to begin Unknown Speaker 11:46 to buy Unknown Speaker 11:51 the middle we have stopped by me done in 1979. Unknown Speaker 11:56 Referring to new construction Unknown Speaker 12:02 to the left the top that's the dedication to John Lennon and finally. Unknown Speaker 12:12 This last one is by me, done in 1980. There was once a time and Unknown Speaker 12:21 let people want to get in line with children of the parents first. Then you should pass the transit stuffing in its glass often refers to the chemical wash so many chains when they watch the repeats. And now the trains look like trash. Now we wonder if it will ever last. Unknown Speaker 12:46 This one is the Waltons by Lady, one of the female writers. Unknown Speaker 12:51 By lady hangry. war crime corruption, property, inflation and pollution racism and justice Unknown Speaker 12:59 is a man's world with the emphasis on Unknown Speaker 13:02 the verb to be distressed the actuality of this condition that unconscious, Unknown Speaker 13:07 hypothetical female world Unknown Speaker 13:12 the majority of graffiti writers are male and repeat is generally portrayed as exclusively male as well. female writers have always insisted the participation has rarely been recognized by the peers nor until recently by the media. Unknown Speaker 13:39 competition that exists among graffiti writers takes on a special character when applied to women. Besides being accused of biting, that means to copy the style of any number of male writers. The artistic procedure of female writers does not depend on their ability to use or create style, but on their personal, often meaning sexual reputation. To the best known female graffiti writers are Sandra Savada, Lady pink and Gloria Williams, Lady hearts. Pink was born in Ecuador, in 1965. And she came to the States with her mother, at the age of seven. Part was born in Corona, Queens, and her family came from Alabama more than 20 years ago. Heart strongly disagrees with the with predominant, predominant accounts claiming that Subway graffiti originated out of the desire of writers to become famous. She thinks that graffiti is an artistic outlet, and it means to make one's own statements. To pink graffiti is a personal challenge. Her involvement was as she puts it, against the idea that women have no brains only emotions, that at three o'clock in the morning, the girls should be sleeping things became known as coke. Her boyfriend who lives with the army, before she changed her name to Lady pink. She explains this change by saying that if someone's surname coke on a train or in a world, it would be, it would only represent another boy writing graffiti. So she had to pick up something feminine, like Lady pink in order to be noticed. Interestingly, the idea of femininity is here interchangeable with the idea of feminism. The same happens in breakdancing and rap music with their female participants, by asserting their so called feminine traits. exam for example, the choice of names like Lady Pink Lady hearts, women writers seek to controvert the oppressive attitude of their male peers and parents. Nevertheless, fear seems to have kept girls from going to the arts in large numbers, as pink says refuse to filter business and then going through proof tunnels, creepy tunnels in the south rose at three in the morning, not for easy hearts agrees with think she says that it takes nerves nerves to be a graffiti writer. The yards are dark, the trains make noise even when the trains and the train is shut off makes noise. So the ever increasing dangers of so great graffiti have also affected greater female participation. Some civil yards have attacked jokes and toll fences with one or two sets of barbed wire. female writers are often the target of jealous males who seek to discredit them. Hart says that, and I quote being a girl writer, you have to be brave, because whether or not you're that kind of girl or not. They figure when a girl hangs out with all these boys is this kind of girl and that and it's up to you to handle yourself accordingly. When situations like that come up, and to quote women writers to understand that the boys attacks and the reputations aimed at discouraging their participation in hearts words, the stores get so rageous that it makes you laugh. They want the graffiti world for boys only. I think they figure that you say something so bad about us. It's just going to hurt our little feelings. And we're not going to want to be bothered with graffiti. So they're aware that this is done to intimidate the subject women graffiti writers choose consciously barriers the times from that of the male leader pink paints women even just slightly lighter pink paints women. Women in distress, according to her are very strong women. For political works include representations Unknown Speaker 18:06 of schools that invite Salvador, Nicaragua and neurosis formidable zones representing the power of women standing in front of for Amazon top pitchers late carts and other subway cars at once. Unknown Speaker 18:36 This is an outline of the key parts Unknown Speaker 18:39 on paper that the writers usually try their outline paper before they Unknown Speaker 18:45 go. Before I made Unknown Speaker 18:55 it there are a difference of styles subject between male and female writers. According to pink, men have a passion for Black. She pink sometimes excludes black pool together and prefers things that are little colors that are a little softer and more tender more sensitive. Distinguishing their work from that of their male counterparts. women writers seek to establish different presence in the world of graffiti in face of a constant denial of this press, by peers and others. With this intention in mind pic pink has often used this pencil to paint big lips and roses instead of writing her name on the trains and on the world. All due to cert the presence of women and cultural production is extremely important. The actual variations of style chosen by this female writers are often statements about femininity. Many of us could regard as conservative and even dangerous to paint big lips, and makeup preference Alia and so we train a statement of female independence in graffiti are signs the prevalent confusion between expression and stereotype, confusion that conflicts with feminist intentions to counter sexist ideas and women's artistic expression. However, the initiatives of the women in hip hop cannot be readily dismissed, for they represent valid acts of resistance when considering the proper context, especially because they achieved their primary objective. That is, they publicly manifest the presence and active role of women in production that there is a sense among the more established writers that graffiti is coming to an end, the prospect of fame and commercial gratification 1000s of would be writers into graffiti. The original competition of writers for style has turned into competition for money and fame. As being said she she argues that toys that is apprentice writers have no one to look out for and try to learn from concerning the future of graffiti, Linkin Park had that agree that the major threat to its existence is lack of respect among writers themselves, manifested by the crossing out, crossing out or going over. It means to refer to covering someone else's name with one's own name has become in recent in recent times, this sort of epidemic that troubles serious writers thinks that that is not the authorities with their attack dogs and their fences, fences that will kill graffiti, but rather the underground battles due to jealousy by the writers themselves. She says we have numbers that the MTA people, but we can't outnumber each other. He points out that none of her work is running that has been crossed out and she says that she's the target of a lot of jealousy just because she's a girl. Pink or in addition to to be in. In addition to everybody's been crossed out, but she's especially for us that because she's a girl. Pink and hearts have had many ideas about how to decorate the train. They discussed landscape and flowers, themes and the trains, but it became clear that it will be impossible with increasing crossing out. In my opinion, crossing out all this significant is only one of many threats to the existence of subway graffiti, or proceeding writing in general. This sudden interest of the media and the commercial establishment has also contributed to upset developments of subway graffiti. Contemporary artists have been influenced by subway style in some cases as a way of promoting their careers. We're going to show some examples of what it's taken to be graffiti art you probably have seen this was February champion the front cover of The New York Times Magazine, Jen Michelle best Kia. He's enjoyed benefits of graffiti career in art. He holds graffiti paintings now sell for up to $25,000 Best yard in his studio with his post graffiti paintings to gain best sober graffiti also inspired Keith Haring. Yeah this is the guy Keith Haring to exhibit his own peculiar style in the subway stations. And thus he has profited from the rising popularity of subway riding his particular style YouCaring again in his studio it's interesting that these two people best Kia and Keith Haring have become the best known graffiti artist, even though neither could be considered a subway writer. There is definitely different from what we saw before subway graffiti. In addition to race and relatively unknown artists to fame, the graffiti style has drawn the interest of professional choreographers widely use repeating motifs in the word, Twyla Tharp, among others is the use of repeating commercial advertisement intensifies the ongoing distortion of subway writing. The graffiti style has become a disease another repeat is Kenny sharp in his studio, so it's also become very popular. Now, the graffiti style has become a promotional item for clothing and other commercial objects. Here we see a bathing suit in the graffiti style as they understand it in commercial terms, Unknown Speaker 25:33 and Unknown Speaker 25:35 this is another debate ensued. refuted like the frames are going to be very popular this summer. According to The New York Times. This is another graffiti. This the pure Self refuting French jacket $295 You can see if anything, the style of the graffiti or the jacket would be closer to Keith Haring style then to Subway graffiti Unknown Speaker 26:11 This is a painting opposed graffiti painting by Lady pink. Of course the commercialization of graffiti has affected the original writers as well. So we have the original writers salsa painting, post graffiti, Lady pink again Unknown Speaker 26:30 okay Unknown Speaker 26:35 in spite of the serious problem scruffy writing faces today, many writers are optimistic about the future of graffiti. Lady Pink Lady heart believes that and I quote, graffiti is going to be around you will never disappear. The little kids will keep trying. She says that writers know too many secrets about the yards. They know how to avoid adults, the workers to flip lights. There is practical reasoning behind hearts optimism. She believes that writers will continue to try because their town has reached the ability for they can go on canvases right now. So they try the best last place to practice on the train. Where you see it running, running and other people seem to and they'll tell you how it looked. I agree with hearts optimism. In recent years, inscriptions in the style characterized by subway graffiti have become to have come to appear profusely and a wide range of public spaces, especially handball courts, like walking parks and buildings and monuments. If you go to the grants to the grants national memorial, you will see already you know tags not only tags, but throw ups and even pieces on monuments and that monument and throughout the city you can find Riverside Park will assert where for a while now they've been erased. But to go on there were full the walls were full of graffiti pieces. In general grants to the hip hop forums will vanish neither because of political repression, as in the case of graffiti, nor because of commercial distortion. I see the case with breakdancing rap music or even breastfeeding its post graffiti version. Even when they no longer enjoy the President's popularity, they will remain a historical challenge to official public legality into elitist notions of March. Thank you. Right, Unknown Speaker 28:57 it still seems that Unknown Speaker 28:58 there's some sort of there's some relationship between the American Place and already even before it gets caught. And so in a way it's kind of tricky to talk about graffiti trying to defend the defendants purity against the marketplace, because then you end up with leading. Though it's curious that it's I mean, it's it's a tricky position. Unknown Speaker 29:31 I don't think they tried to descend into actually the riders wanting to keep saying Do you want to Unknown Speaker 29:36 miss right now? Is that your analysis now? Oh, I mean, when you're writing, you know what can't be $1 What you're doing really educating people who want to go out there Unknown Speaker 29:59 and play because that talk to me for Unknown Speaker 30:10 a clarification that Unknown Speaker 30:11 becomes something Unknown Speaker 30:14 and I don't mean that there was all bad there's a very close relationship between the graffiti and the marketplace then the way they needed differences from the time Unknown Speaker 30:42 I don't think they're covered by the news set commercialization used to make money by advertising fashion kids run aground trying to redirect to take the kids off the wall and they insisted that they should not do a Unknown Speaker 31:46 particular character Writing Practice usually Unknown Speaker 32:06 depends on what kind of heroes we're talking about here. The New York City city arts workshop and it's a city funded program that sponsors murals inside and here are a few some of them and some of them have been coming over and they take an artist to do that Unknown Speaker 32:38 in Europe Unknown Speaker 32:39 so that's one approach but I've noticed that there is a relationship repeating Unknown Speaker 32:51 here of that for sample I see Unknown Speaker 32:59 a lot of young people live there and there's the characters Disney characters the subway driving just like Campbell and those metal things that you hold out in front of stores sometimes a store owners will pay people to do things like me to lock stretch in Waynesburg for it Unknown Speaker 33:37 so I think that like Unknown Speaker 33:39 in the area where police work is so economically those kids don't want to leave the neighborhood and so together small world expression coming out you seen Unknown Speaker 34:05 this type of Unknown Speaker 34:11 video because you're not is totally Unknown Speaker 34:23 getting it and so, I always tried to get some, sometimes you are lucky. Usually I found time with and these types of slides Unknown Speaker 34:46 will actually picture Unknown Speaker 34:52 that to answer your question Good morning Unknown Speaker 35:03 many of those who complain and what happens is that aside from Unknown Speaker 35:11 just talking about problems right it's very dangerous anything discovery you can ever rescue people the easiest kind of repeated to do that and nobody's going to look at it because what you're talking about also then Unknown Speaker 35:41 official repression of the public Unknown Speaker 35:45 as soon as the car is being usually Unknown Speaker 35:51 dressed as I was writing I also Unknown Speaker 35:55 watched the track record so you never really get to see very difficult Unknown Speaker 36:05 no postcards usually take about 30 seconds apart Unknown Speaker 36:15 from the Washington Unknown Speaker 36:20 which really doesn't want to get one pager Unknown Speaker 36:26 so this is just Unknown Speaker 36:31 one we're still doing for those that are that Unknown Speaker 36:43 are that are Unknown Speaker 36:44 ready and then five of them Unknown Speaker 36:53 I mean there's so many packing markets in the market so people to spread things like all the writers who are good writers before take your own Unknown Speaker 37:35 take this is a valid comparison but the destruction of the Bureau I really do wonder what Rockefeller scored the cookies he didn't like that you know it's good to take with you and work on something that you believe beautiful and for a fleeting moment people enjoy it and then because it was there the mayor became authority. So I decided I wanted to question with you and I talked about that I'd like to get into the bones more like to mention that there is one way to cross out other people's letters and okay do you want to go to the women bodies of their families across our borders that encourage you to message Unknown Speaker 38:37 them market turned out according to lady she says because she first got more to the Unknown Speaker 38:58 writer and she's also well known writers and I know you've seen every time five styles of writing and when it comes to that Unknown Speaker 39:31 talk about it right and by the call Unknown Speaker 39:49 ratio will go to motivated. Unknown Speaker 39:59 Ukraine Eric hates white writers Unknown Speaker 40:13 black right you Unknown Speaker 40:39 Catherine Catherine will appear with Catherine you don't know how to do a live one ordinary thing the white paper remember it was time to contact me side Unknown Speaker 42:30 going to show Unknown Speaker 42:32 right now know one thing that struck me about the Florida profession I haven't seen very many patients who come in when they come close and I just wonder recorder yeah sort of women are also things that can be written on and painted on and so now we can were proceeding it's like I know subcontract whatever word what we also Unknown Speaker 43:17 know the whole the whole territorial thing about needing to put a tag on something you know writers came up with different types of or or I'm thinking the inside but you didn't see Unknown Speaker 43:44 that's what I was that will lead her to resume developer short break. But there's also this really good Unknown Speaker 43:54 design they mature and popular you know everyone's been learning designers Unknown Speaker 44:06 there are a number of exhibitions we should mention if you've ever drawn up the side, I just pointed out to Nancy into one was we drove up Eastman a painter Unknown Speaker 44:20 roll by she carried Unknown Speaker 44:23 what's from 96 Unknown Speaker 44:24 to 120 96 220/5 you get out from under the tunnel. And that's no fit and then I noticed that the store in Brooklyn we hopefully can take care of stocks being sold. And be a joke about fucking that stuff. The presentation and then there's the Atlantis. Yeah, actually many frogs show When it comes down to do a what you would call it has vivid FTM one of the admin Issues Part of the Unknown Speaker 45:49 oh yeah lady is going to be part yes she started Unknown Speaker 46:02 yeah everything here they have a survey established current contemporary international it's interesting to get other people to carry on Unknown Speaker 46:41 I think it's part of Unknown Speaker 46:45 it's usually seen as a representation of the cutting edge Unknown Speaker 46:59 into the class issue somewhere why there's not much expression or at least popular culture and also I was thinking about it when she was traveling down to keep carrying in the final or commercial listen does that dilute the possible question I mean I know it does have some Unknown Speaker 47:53 patience in Washington as Unknown Speaker 48:01 well are feeling very political Unknown Speaker 48:03 not only to get the message but also by being what is Unknown Speaker 48:14 your expression helping people that's already growing and Unknown Speaker 48:34 keep growing up the movement Unknown Speaker 48:36 and yet actuality of Unknown Speaker 48:38 New Zealand at this point there was so much depression even more than that, it was challenging to keep doing in spite of all the dangers and problems so I think Unknown Speaker 49:05 a lot of times I think that Unknown Speaker 49:11 the use of popular culture is not a terribly well Unknown Speaker 49:23 to me graffiti writing and keep talking that's right with popular culture that to me Unknown Speaker 49:39 but, of course graffiti writers take liability inspiration from all sorts of cultures and cultures Unknown Speaker 49:55 would just take another chapter was put on a tray Unknown Speaker 50:00 They did the character Unknown Speaker 50:01 changes when the train was actually here, it's Unknown Speaker 50:06 very interesting to work with a character and how flaming to me the other night that it's effective writers to say, what kind of sneakers that they paint on the characters, Unknown Speaker 50:31 and they have become Unknown Speaker 50:33 also within fashion for many of the Unknown Speaker 50:36 games basic relation between Unknown Speaker 50:39 do and happy modified Unknown Speaker 50:40 characters that are less media Unknown Speaker 50:44 modifiers. Unknown Speaker 50:51 On the question of political ends the Minister to come up with what is political how much it is a sign of your PC payment to dump calm, some people that's political, to other things say that the actual wedding you have a smirk on one of the payments in the smartphone, that entire trade that in the sense of political because it's illegal and because of the danger and also because of the creative perception that people paint graffiti or somehow create a sort of visual pollution effect and backlash. In one sense. Looky loos were pre political except political house contracted political something that we didn't have to look at. I had one question I'm curious to know if you're going to Unknown Speaker 51:42 get businesses in any proceeding Unknown Speaker 51:45 specifically about that either Unknown Speaker 51:46 just attend to Friday because I it just has anybody seen any or heard of it I mean, aside from people scraping through I guess interfaces to that but I mean in this time Unknown Speaker 52:05 I've heard of somebody who wanted to do a whole car he didn't do it yet well what Unknown Speaker 52:19 takes a nap now Unknown Speaker 52:25 he's gonna say taken by the media and native media well I guess I guess partly to justify handled by the media laid it out that way so they did they do feel a kinship leave lot of the recipes that they know that they represent here application Unknown Speaker 53:59 you have to delete the post. Unknown Speaker 54:02 It's important what has ended up moving. That's why people like Keith Haring. John, Michael, Michael Stewart, for example are although in some way they overlap with it in one way or another, they might overlap. It's just one point that lightly. Like, they're not part of this collective experience. So that's why anything that they do or anything that's said about them, typing is going to distort including the power of style making was about seeing how far removed the narrative style was. On the training. Side think that you know, it's really important for people to see not just as anybody to be radically the same way you go into somebody or something It's not it's not that kind of thing. But I think it's also not political we have to give you a very accurate solid political kind of state and that's differentiated from us in Europe as well but it's connected to a political economy it's really I mean they have a lot of stuff that Central America relations if you don't find it a lot of companies ignore find them and so with that kind of work so that I think it's a challenge for people to see cultural politics now and not expect it to be articulated explicitly political reference to see the act itself to the cultural division itself and that's really what's happening and sort of the political who doesn't see it that way and be easily dismissed there's just so many battles with so many people young kids and just better to do you know have nothing better to do them all that kind of thing and that's what's the crippling cultural thing and absolutely being open to seeing politics as being expressed not only articulate but in the very way that people deal with reality as long as I'm just referencing expanding Unknown Speaker 56:48 breakdancing you know what this dance Unknown Speaker 56:51 oh this is this is adult and rapid with this style of music that is the Burberry This is the style of music how much of it is for me but when I was it wasn't Unknown Speaker 57:25 too bad in mind they are made by teenagers. So who is that Unknown Speaker 57:34 I got to know that oh yeah Unknown Speaker 57:49 challenging not only Unknown Speaker 57:54 the authorities that are challenging the day before the art establishment she used to read Unknown Speaker 58:23 something mainly that has been most more topical Unknown Speaker 58:30 and there are many other labor people who are not really involved Unknown Speaker 58:36 in the movement Unknown Speaker 58:38 this interviews were done Unknown Speaker 58:41 with a new book coming out I haven't Unknown Speaker 58:51 fellowshipped Unknown Speaker 58:58 joining the army Unknown Speaker 59:07 to pay tax she laid papers in that same age but most of the senior writers are not getting on visually before especially before that maybe some of your favorites by the beginning of life battle shows that video The black market lower Unknown Speaker 1:00:48 than symbols symbols got to be a crown on top of the bag What did they get from well she the only way at the way of social mobility Unknown Speaker 1:01:12 and she's going Unknown Speaker 1:01:14 to push it on TV for hours she wasn't paid for transit she prayed Unknown Speaker 1:01:26 now that she gets to go to Jack question that I get Unknown Speaker 1:01:46 when you choose to Unknown Speaker 1:01:49 try to try to report to jail for CG quality that I'm very excited about you ready to get a gold trade